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Old 11-10-2014, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
What math are you going to do? Do you know how many people who don't have 1000 121 and will be bypassed? It's quite a few I have heard between 50-80. Do you know how many upgrades are planned? I have seen the training plan and it is 300+ Upgrades starting in Jan.
I thought it was about 250 upgrades next year? Now its 300?
SO do you think they would resort to street captains first, or maybe allow guys will 1000 SIC and less then 2500TT upgrade? Just curious if you think the company min of 2500TT is going to stay....
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Old 11-10-2014, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Poopchute701
I thought it was about 250 upgrades next year? Now its 300?
SO do you think they would resort to street captains first, or maybe allow guys will 1000 SIC and less then 2500TT upgrade? Just curious if you think the company min of 2500TT is going to stay....
Hopefully it does.
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Old 11-10-2014, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
Hopefully it does.
Im not saying it should go away, just curious how that would work if they did bring in street captains. Say a bunch of people bypass because of flight time, and upgrades stop next fall, and guys that needed the 2500TT or 1000 sic were then elgible after upgrades stop....so basically these guys who bypassed would be stuck as fos until more captain slots open as people leave?
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Old 11-10-2014, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Poopchute701
Im not saying it should go away, just curious how that would work if they did bring in street captains. Say a bunch of people bypass because of flight time, and upgrades stop next fall, and guys that needed the 2500TT or 1000 sic were then elgible after upgrades stop....so basically these guys who bypassed would be stuck as fos until more captain slots open as people leave?
Yes, that is how it would work
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Old 11-10-2014, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I haven't told a single person not to leave. In fact quite the opposite, I tell anyone that asks they should leave. If I lived in LA I would have left for Compass a long time ago. If I lived in a PSA base I would have gone yesterday. I'm telling people to do their own research. Is that hypocritical? How so?
My bad. I reread your post and originally thought you were insinuating we are only saying to make the jump because it benefits us, which, would be hypocritical because that pilot leaving endeavor puts you at a disadvantage so telling him not to move is to your benefit. Regardless, that is not the case and I owe you one Leinie good sir.
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Old 11-10-2014, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
This industry is liking buying stocks, when everyone else is selling you buy, when everyone else is buying you sell. What was the best regional of the 2000's? Comair?
Thats a pretty big over assumption and broad brush you're painting with though. Its just not as simple as: always go to/stay at the worst regional because it will always flip.

PCL's very survival is very, very much in doubt. CPZ may or may not be around in 20 years, but their near to mid term looks very good. If you are trying to time a future upgrade with precision, then you might as well flip a coin.

But odds are overwhelming CPZ will be around for a while, and odds are very good they will experience the full attrition of the flows, plus normal attrition (possibly enhanced by pref interviews), plus the short term (significant) growth plans so far. All that adds up to some significant movement.

The main concern was supposedly that on time performance was suffering (something I was not aware of and may or may not be the case) therefore DL could punish them. I don't see that result happening even if its true, and I don't think its true anyway. CPZ seems as well run right now as any regional and better than most. Of course if you strictly interpret your rule of thumb, that is proof they will be gone soon and PCL/Mesa and whoever else will reign supreme in a couple years.
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Old 11-10-2014, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Thats a pretty big over assumption and broad brush you're painting with though. Its just not as simple as: always go to/stay at the worst regional because it will always flip.

PCL's very survival is very, very much in doubt. CPZ may or may not be around in 20 years, but their near to mid term looks very good. If you are trying to time a future upgrade with precision, then you might as well flip a coin.

But odds are overwhelming CPZ will be around for a while, and odds are very good they will experience the full attrition of the flows, plus normal attrition (possibly enhanced by pref interviews), plus the short term (significant) growth plans so far. All that adds up to some significant movement.

The main concern was supposedly that on time performance was suffering (something I was not aware of and may or may not be the case) therefore DL could punish them. I don't see that result happening even if its true, and I don't think its true anyway. CPZ seems as well run right now as any regional and better than most. Of course if you strictly interpret your rule of thumb, that is proof they will be gone soon and PCL/Mesa and whoever else will reign supreme in a couple years.
the only thing driving the on time performance down is the LAX-SFO shuttle......really no way to keep that one on time.
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Old 11-10-2014, 08:46 PM
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I am hoping to be able to apply at 12xx and get an interview soon after and get a class date within the 3 month waiting period. I'm at a 1000TT and flying about 90 hours per month. Does anyone know why they're so backed up on class dates? Is the 3 month wait going to continue in the foreseeable future? - and does not having a college degree put you at the bottom of the barrel?
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Da40Pilot
I am hoping to be able to apply at 12xx and get an interview soon after and get a class date within the 3 month waiting period. I'm at a 1000TT and flying about 90 hours per month. Does anyone know why they're so backed up on class dates? Is the 3 month wait going to continue in the foreseeable future? - and does not having a college degree put you at the bottom of the barrel?
I have heard if you don't have a degree you need a good amount of 121 or 135 experience. Flew with a recruiter recently and they are interviewing non stop and when that happens there's only so many class spots. That's why the class delay. 10 people a week and hiring has been going strong since the AA announcement leads to the delay. Didn't ask about no degree but have heard you need experience. Compass at one point not long ago was hard req of a degree, I doubt they will let that go easily until they have to. Doubt we're to that point yet.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
I have heard if you don't have a degree you need a good amount of 121 or 135 experience. Flew with a recruiter recently and they are interviewing non stop and when that happens there's only so many class spots. That's why the class delay. 10 people a week and hiring has been going strong since the AA announcement leads to the delay. Didn't ask about no degree but have heard you need experience. Compass at one point not long ago was hard req of a degree, I doubt they will let that go easily until they have to. Doubt we're to that point yet.
Thanks for that note. That is indeed unfortunate. I live near LAX and was looking forward to giving Compass a shot. I still will, but if the degree is a deal breaker then so be it. I have 10 years of work experience from having started my own business instead of doing the 4 year college thing....oh well. I'll have to finish the degree either way for the majors....
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