Compass updates
10-12-2014, 07:24 AM
#4711
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
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You're confusing the new trips with ADTG and forgetting the fact that we now have LAX as a pilot base and no LGA flying. The draw down of LAX pairings out of MSP and no LGA is leading to the crappy pairings. Just a coincidence that it happened at the same time. No more 28 hour 4 days because of the DFW-LGA shuttle and no highly productive west coast shuttle flying. Those were the primary drivers of such high credit trips. Not saying the ADTG is perfect but you need to understand what is really causing the problem.
10-12-2014, 07:30 AM
#4712
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: The Parlor
Posts: 1,252
Your confusing that this is directly from the head of the P2P program, this is what the union is saying...concerning this issue. It hasn't benefited me but I'm just one person. In the unions eyes, a majority of the pilot group as a whole is not benefiting from this, you can disagree with me which is fine, but if you believe that what I'm saying isn't true, I suggest you contact your block rep or the P2P chair...I understand you believe things are changing but I've worked at three seperate airlines, the company is always three steps ahead of us as a pilot group, they will find ways to squeeze every cent out of us...they will always find a way
10-12-2014, 07:39 AM
#4713
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: Just another RJ guy
Posts: 906
30 hour layovers are generally in less desirable stations. SDF, IAH, YXE, etc. The good news is there are far less of them next month (for MSP at least). All of our hotels are airport hotels. We have a provision for downtown hotels but it will never happen with TSH at the helm.
10-12-2014, 07:47 AM
#4714
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: Just another RJ guy
Posts: 906
You're confusing the new trips with ADTG and forgetting the fact that we now have LAX as a pilot base and no LGA flying. The draw down of LAX pairings out of MSP and no LGA is leading to the crappy pairings. Just a coincidence that it happened at the same time. No more 28 hour 4 days because of the DFW-LGA shuttle and no highly productive west coast shuttle flying. Those were the primary drivers of such high credit trips. Not saying the ADTG is perfect but you need to understand what is really causing the problem.
10-12-2014, 08:21 AM
#4715
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: The Parlor
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Sounds like a lot of speculation, assumption, and coincidences. I don't think the airline runs like that. I think they know exactly what will make them the most money and they will take full advantage of the ADTG deal. They absolutely will, and have, modify the pairings. And if that means more 19 hour 4 days with a 30 hour in the middle then that's what they'll do. I haven't talked to anyone who likes this stupid ADTG deal. If you do then you're in the minority and I hope the union stands up and refuses to renew it after the trial period ends.
10-12-2014, 09:09 AM
#4716
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: Satisfied
Posts: 379
Sounds like a lot of speculation, assumption, and coincidences. I don't think the airline runs like that. I think they know exactly what will make them the most money and they will take full advantage of the ADTG deal. They absolutely will, and have, modify the pairings. And if that means more 19 hour 4 days with a 30 hour in the middle then that's what they'll do. I haven't talked to anyone who likes this stupid ADTG deal. If you do then you're in the minority and I hope the union stands up and refuses to renew it after the trial period ends.
For the record, I am not thrilled about the ADTG but I do recognize it as being better than the old system of no min day pay and no credit. My question is - even if we do get pay and credit for 30 hr overnights when this is revisited, how do we know they wont do the same thing and just reconstruct the pairings so they pay as little as possible again so 4 hours min day x 4 days = 16 hr four days?
I dont have the LOA handy so excuse me if I am mistaken and that example I gave is actually not possible.
you catch my drift though- we stay at meh hotels most of the time. The new SFO hotel is nice.
10-12-2014, 09:37 AM
#4718
New Hire
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 9
I'm looking at jumping ship from eagle and going to compass... I heard the most junior base is lax, is that true and how long should I expect to be over there? How many overnights are out of lax? Thanks.
10-12-2014, 09:58 AM
#4719
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Duplicate post.
10-12-2014, 09:59 AM
#4720
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LAX is most junior and will be for quite sometime. It will be our biggest base soon. 150+ crews. Its at 75-90 now. Thankfully with movement most new hires will be able to hold whatever.
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