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Old 09-22-2014, 08:05 AM
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Why did you guys lose that?
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:10 AM
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Why did you guys lose that?
LOA with a crappy trip rig
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Old 09-22-2014, 09:50 AM
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LOA with a crappy trip rig
The union rolled over and took it up the behiney without getting any gains. The LOA is temporary and I hope it goes back to 4 hour min day every day despite a 30 hour layover. Th company won big on that LOA. Union Failure.
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Old 09-22-2014, 10:18 AM
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He is referring to the fact that we used to be paid for 4 hrs, for any 30 hr layover. We don't anymore though, until August of 2015, when we will have the option to be paid and credited the 4 hrs for any 30 hr layover.
Hopefully you guys can gain that back. Any idea how the delta rate reset may affect that negotiation?
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
Why did you guys lose that?
When the new contract was signed ALPA and the Company argued that the wording was 4 hrs of credit, or just 4 hours of pay not counted towards your bid credit.

In a moment of absolute stupidity, ALPA negotiated away all of it and instead got a min ADTG of 4:45. I think I saw only 4 or 5 trips all of October that benefit from the new rigs. Overall the LOA was the dumbest thing I've seen happen in a long time and company definitely won out on this one.
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Old 09-22-2014, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
Hopefully you guys can gain that back. Any idea how the delta rate reset may affect that negotiation?
It is 100% our union leaderships' choice, which is hopefully representative of our pilots' choice based on our feedback we give to the MEC.

What do you mean by the Delta rate reset's effect on that decision? Are you saying we are about to lose our contract and/or airplanes or something else? Serious question, I just did not understand your question.
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Old 09-22-2014, 12:46 PM
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4:45 to 1 trip rig? Would have been worth it if you went with 4 to 1 trip and 2 to 1 duty. Yeah that was pretty dumb.
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Old 09-22-2014, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
4:45 to 1 trip rig? Would have been worth it if you went with 4 to 1 trip and 2 to 1 duty. Yeah that was pretty dumb.
Idk about 2:1 duty, because the issue is the 30 hr sits, which aren't duty.

The company was more than happy to pay the extra 4 hrs on a 30 hr layover, they just didn't want to lose the productivity of counting that credit towards the monthly maximum of 95 hours.

We usually have productive trips, 30 hr layovers non withstanding.
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Originally Posted by typical41
It is 100% our union leaderships' choice, which is hopefully representative of our pilots' choice based on our feedback we give to the MEC.

What do you mean by the Delta rate reset's effect on that decision? Are you saying we are about to lose our contract and/or airplanes or something else? Serious question, I just did not understand your question.
I keep hearing about a delta rate reset, I don't know much about it because I don't fly for a delta feeder. My question is, if delta cuts the amount they pay compass for lift do you think the company will come after the pilot group for concessions?
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I keep hearing about a delta rate reset, I don't know much about it because I don't fly for a delta feeder. My question is, if delta cuts the amount they pay compass for lift do you think the company will come after the pilot group for concessions?
That is towards Skywest Inc. kind of hard to reset the rates they try to get everyone to match.
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