MrMustache

Long call isn't available because no base has more than 30 reserves so I doubt it has been discussed ( the union and Mgmt would have to agree on it first BUT it is possible). Compass isn't the size of Pinnacle...and if I remember correctly LCA over there was based on each base having a certain amount of reserves too. Bottom line is while on reserve you don't need to have daily contract reading lessons to the schedulers, unlike 9E. Also the guaranteed atleast one 4 day stretch off on reserve is nice.

ACessential

I think the 4 day stretch off on reserve hurts you more than it helps personally. I would rather have more consistent days off on reserve. Also, they should not be calling you on your off days before to notify you of your reserve period. We should be able to bid for reserve periods in seniority order.

That being said I will say reserve is much easier at Compass, only because they are properly staffed, at least for FOs currently. If that were not the case (like 9E traditionally) than we would be used and abused just as bad as 9E.

LostInPA

Once bids are awarded, have you tried swapping reserve days in Flica to make this adjustment?

MrMustache

It does not hurt you, you can take one of those days and atleast make 2 3 day stretches if you wanted (even better when they give you a 5 day stretch off). 9E would give you 2 days off every week, thus having a single day if you wanted to have 1 3 day stretch. And don't answer the phone if it bothers your afternoon nap, who cares really if they call, takes 30 seconds to get your assignment or self notify if you want to play that game. What happens if you bid for a specific period every month and get RAP 1 and you're a commuter? The way the system is now they can start you late then work you forward to a rap 1 if that's what they need but atleast you can commute in day of. You are really making a big deal about little things that IMO work to your advantage.

By the looks of it you've only been here for about 6 months now. Man that's not very long to be this vocal! Especially since every 9E person I know here thinks it is 10X better. You need to learn the tricks my friend.

ACessential

Maybe I do need to learn the Flica swap/drop system better or how to bid better on PBS. I have had the 4 day off thing screw me a few times already. Also in regards to reserve, ask the Captains who commute to reserve if they like how the system works. Most have them have told me they would rather be able to bid for reserve periods. They only help out FOs right now with commutable RAP periods because they are fat on FOs. I live at base so its not a huge concern but I would still like to have some control on to my reserve period.

To me starting on a latest rap period on day 1 and ending on the earliest rap period on the last day is a potential recipe for fatigue. I would rather see a consistent rap period every day. Maybe thats just me I guess.

Not trying to turn the thread into a ***** fest at all. There is always room for improvement. I will agree the 9E FOs here at Compass generally seem happier than at 9E. I think a lot of us are still bitter over the whole 9E debacle. Some of us were there for over 5 years without even getting close to upgrade and now starting over on 1st year pay at another regional. But we all made that choice and were not forced into it, we wouldn’t be at Compass if we didn’t think it was a better opportunity. Anyways I'll stop posting now because apparently 6 months at an airline doesn’t earn you enough stripes to voice opinion on an internet forum.

MrMustache

Just saying get more than your toes wet first Everyone has the right to their opinion but only being on the line/bidding for about 4-5 months is hardly enough time to really understand how everything works and the differences between airlines. Keep posting, it's good conversation/ learning tool for everyone!

Snickers

Most commuters generally prefer this. Saves you from commuting in on a day off or going home a day late.

14Kayr

can anyone direct me to the internal compass form or a recently updated gouge...have an interview coming up soon?

logan3db

I agree. Spend some time learning the systems that will affect your daily life. FLICA is great when you can swap/drop/trade. Allows you to take a crappy scheduled and make it somewhat better. Especially if you live in base. You claim that we are fairly well staffed on FOs, if this is true, swapping is easy.

Sure the system can be your worst enemy some days; however, more often than not it works to your benefit. It might behoove you to look and read into your contract a little bit. Know what you can and can't do. Also, know how people are willing to work with you. Example: Reqeusting RAP periods. I have yet to talk to any 9E pilots who once understanding our RSV system don't see many pros in it. It's great, before coming back on your RSV shoot screwscheduling an email..... REQUEST WHEN YOU WANT YOUR RAP! More often than not they will work with you. Learn how to read the silos, and then you can see how it looks for getting what you want. GENIUS! I wasn't as lucky as you are, I had to commute for reserve so I had time to figure all this stuff out.

Lastly... we get it you came from 9E, things tool a turn for the worse there. I would recommend biting your tongue for the most of it. A lot of people ended up here from another airline. Some even were at a place that shut doors, and they were CAs there. Try going from that to Compass. It makes 5 year FO to first year FO look not so bad (I did it, it's rough yes.) Obviously we are here because we think it is a better opportunity. Let go of the past airline and let it be that. It is hard to do, but it needs to be done. Makes everything much easier!

Good luck and learn to work the system.

typical41

Does anyone know where I can find a current copy of the Compass contract? I have looked for one and cannot seem to find one on the internet.

More specifically, I am trying to find the exact pay rates for both FOs and CAs for years 1-5. I am trying to figure out how much of a paycut it will actually be to make the move to Compass, and how long it would be to recover the pay difference. If anyone can post those pay rates, thank you in advance for taking the time to do that.

I am looking forward to starting at Compass next month. Thanks again for the help!