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11-18-2009, 08:46 PM
#191
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 8
The thought that CPZ guys just settle for their bad contract is very far from the truth. You have to remember that not a single one of us voted for this contract. We have mainline NW to thank for it. The sad thing, is that this is the best contract that they could come up with when it was originally written for their own furloughed pilots. Every single one of us wants to change things here, the problem is that there isn't a lot that we can do for a few years. There are a lot of xjt refugees here (including myself), and we know what a good contract is like. Every captain I fly with I make it a point to tell them how good the xjt contract was, and we talk about things that have to change when it's up for renegotiation. I can promise you that given the chance, we will stand up and fight for it.
It's easy to sit on the sidelines and say "I'd never fly a 76 seat plane for those rates". I know this because I used to say the same thing, but sometimes life throws you a curve ball and you've gotta do what you've gotta do. Joey, you've gotta come off that pedestal that you're standing on and realize that we are all in the same boat. There are great people at CPZ, and there's no reason to put down the pilots. Say what you want about management, but leave the pilots out of it.
It's easy to sit on the sidelines and say "I'd never fly a 76 seat plane for those rates". I know this because I used to say the same thing, but sometimes life throws you a curve ball and you've gotta do what you've gotta do. Joey, you've gotta come off that pedestal that you're standing on and realize that we are all in the same boat. There are great people at CPZ, and there's no reason to put down the pilots. Say what you want about management, but leave the pilots out of it.
11-19-2009, 05:43 AM
#192
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
Don't lecture me on furloughs, I am on number three. And I have some backup plans, what do you think has been holding me over. And yes, I do have experience in other fields.
The issue is nobody is hiring, anywhere. Three years ago, for every job opening, there were on average 1.5 applicants. Latest data available now shows that for every job opening there are 8 applicants. So just getting an interview is tough. Why do you think lines at job fairs are filled with experienced professionals? Because the market is so tough. Even a lot of backup plans are not working.
The simple fact is you took a job with ExpressJet which pays $23/hour at a 75 hour guarentee, just like Compass. You are flying routes that used to be flown by major airline pilots. Continental has 147 pilots on furlough while you fly their former routes. United has well in excess of 1000 pilots on furlough and you are about to fly routes that they used to fly. So stop throwing your stones, your glass house is pretty fragile.
The issue is nobody is hiring, anywhere. Three years ago, for every job opening, there were on average 1.5 applicants. Latest data available now shows that for every job opening there are 8 applicants. So just getting an interview is tough. Why do you think lines at job fairs are filled with experienced professionals? Because the market is so tough. Even a lot of backup plans are not working.
The simple fact is you took a job with ExpressJet which pays $23/hour at a 75 hour guarentee, just like Compass. You are flying routes that used to be flown by major airline pilots. Continental has 147 pilots on furlough while you fly their former routes. United has well in excess of 1000 pilots on furlough and you are about to fly routes that they used to fly. So stop throwing your stones, your glass house is pretty fragile.
Throwing stones?, how is it that the destruction of this industry comes back to the regional pilot? It was the short-sighted MAJOR airline pilot that gave up scope for their own personal gains, now look where it got you...............
and for the record we have 2x as many pilots on the street then CAL does, 347 to be exact
and we have 347 on furlough, more than twice CAL
HogsPilot. I am not putting down the pilot, its actually the opposite I believe you guys are worth more than 75% deadhead and should be making more then me being your flying a airplane almost twice the size. Also the pilots may be a great bunch of guys, but does not change the fact that in my eyes it's disgraceful they don't pay for your hotel during training.
You guys need to seperate the pilot from the company, just because I say negative things about an airline does not mean I feel the same about the pilot working there. If it came across that why I apologize Some of you guys need to grow a thicker skin.
Last edited by JoeyMeatballs; 11-19-2009 at 05:53 AM.
11-19-2009, 06:30 AM
#193
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Round Two
Posts: 374
Ok guys drop it !
Let this thread go back to being an information outlet for people seeking work before you get it closed.
Let this thread go back to being an information outlet for people seeking work before you get it closed.
11-19-2009, 07:24 AM
#194
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 33
For those that got hired, post your class dates.
December 17
December 17
11-19-2009, 08:10 AM
#195
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 199
Throwing stones?, how is it that the destruction of this industry comes back to the regional pilot? It was the short-sighted MAJOR airline pilot that gave up scope for their own personal gains, now look where it got you...............
and for the record we have 2x as many pilots on the street then CAL does, 347 to be exact
and we have 347 on furlough, more than twice CAL
HogsPilot. I am not putting down the pilot, its actually the opposite I believe you guys are worth more than 75% deadhead and should be making more then me being your flying a airplane almost twice the size. Also the pilots may be a great bunch of guys, but does not change the fact that in my eyes it's disgraceful they don't pay for your hotel during training.
You guys need to seperate the pilot from the company, just because I say negative things about an airline does not mean I feel the same about the pilot working there. If it came across that why I apologize Some of you guys need to grow a thicker skin.
and for the record we have 2x as many pilots on the street then CAL does, 347 to be exact
and we have 347 on furlough, more than twice CAL
HogsPilot. I am not putting down the pilot, its actually the opposite I believe you guys are worth more than 75% deadhead and should be making more then me being your flying a airplane almost twice the size. Also the pilots may be a great bunch of guys, but does not change the fact that in my eyes it's disgraceful they don't pay for your hotel during training.
You guys need to seperate the pilot from the company, just because I say negative things about an airline does not mean I feel the same about the pilot working there. If it came across that why I apologize Some of you guys need to grow a thicker skin.
11-19-2009, 12:05 PM
#196
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Why is it soooooooo hard to understand that most of the larger RJ's(NW's in particular) are a result of BANKRUPTCY!? Do you honestly believe that BANKRUPTCY did NOT have something to do with this?
These large RJ's, along with MASSIVE paycuts, frozen or dissolved pensions, and less favorable work rules were CRAMMED down the throats of Legacy Pilots because management teams were able to manipulate BK rules to their advantage. This was not about short-sighted LEGACY pilots just giving up scope for more $$$.
Look, I was at XE and I don't forget where I came from. I don't give Compass pilots a hard time, dirty looks, or flip them the birdie when I see them. As a matter of fact, I try to make them feel as comfortable as possible when they jumpseat on us. When I non-rev on them I do my best to strike up some friendly chat. I've had a really easy ride in this industry so far, and while I have cast stones in the past I do my best not to anymore because I haven't been confronted with a lot of the situations that other pilots have.
Bottom line, guys are trying to feed their families and the pickings are next to non existent. Hopefully contracts start to improve again, as it can only be better for all of us.
11-19-2009, 12:48 PM
#197
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 168
Why is it soooooooo hard to understand that most of the larger RJ's(NW's in particular) are a result of BANKRUPTCY!? Do you honestly believe that BANKRUPTCY did NOT have something to do with this?
These large RJ's, along with MASSIVE paycuts, frozen or dissolved pensions, and less favorable work rules were CRAMMED down the throats of Legacy Pilots because management teams were able to manipulate BK rules to their advantage. This was not about short-sighted LEGACY pilots just giving up scope for more $$$.
Look, I was at XE and I don't forget where I came from. I don't give Compass pilots a hard time, dirty looks, or flip them the birdie when I see them. As a matter of fact, I try to make them feel as comfortable as possible when they jumpseat on us. When I non-rev on them I do my best to strike up some friendly chat. I've had a really easy ride in this industry so far, and while I have cast stones in the past I do my best not to anymore because I haven't been confronted with a lot of the situations that other pilots have.
Bottom line, guys are trying to feed their families and the pickings are next to non existent. Hopefully contracts start to improve again, as it can only be better for all of us.
These large RJ's, along with MASSIVE paycuts, frozen or dissolved pensions, and less favorable work rules were CRAMMED down the throats of Legacy Pilots because management teams were able to manipulate BK rules to their advantage. This was not about short-sighted LEGACY pilots just giving up scope for more $$$.
Look, I was at XE and I don't forget where I came from. I don't give Compass pilots a hard time, dirty looks, or flip them the birdie when I see them. As a matter of fact, I try to make them feel as comfortable as possible when they jumpseat on us. When I non-rev on them I do my best to strike up some friendly chat. I've had a really easy ride in this industry so far, and while I have cast stones in the past I do my best not to anymore because I haven't been confronted with a lot of the situations that other pilots have.
Bottom line, guys are trying to feed their families and the pickings are next to non existent. Hopefully contracts start to improve again, as it can only be better for all of us.
11-19-2009, 07:15 PM
#198
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,067
Throwing stones?, how is it that the destruction of this industry comes back to the regional pilot? It was the short-sighted MAJOR airline pilot that gave up scope for their own personal gains, now look where it got you...............
and for the record we have 2x as many pilots on the street then CAL does, 347 to be exact
and we have 347 on furlough, more than twice CAL
HogsPilot. I am not putting down the pilot, its actually the opposite I believe you guys are worth more than 75% deadhead and should be making more then me being your flying a airplane almost twice the size. Also the pilots may be a great bunch of guys, but does not change the fact that in my eyes it's disgraceful they don't pay for your hotel during training.
You guys need to seperate the pilot from the company, just because I say negative things about an airline does not mean I feel the same about the pilot working there. If it came across that why I apologize Some of you guys need to grow a thicker skin.
and for the record we have 2x as many pilots on the street then CAL does, 347 to be exact
and we have 347 on furlough, more than twice CAL
HogsPilot. I am not putting down the pilot, its actually the opposite I believe you guys are worth more than 75% deadhead and should be making more then me being your flying a airplane almost twice the size. Also the pilots may be a great bunch of guys, but does not change the fact that in my eyes it's disgraceful they don't pay for your hotel during training.
You guys need to seperate the pilot from the company, just because I say negative things about an airline does not mean I feel the same about the pilot working there. If it came across that why I apologize Some of you guys need to grow a thicker skin.
Also understood about seperating the airline from the pilots as well.
After trying for months to find something and finally getting an offer, it felt a little like you were ****ing in my Wheaties. I will work on growing the thicker skin. Peace.
11-20-2009, 04:45 AM
#199
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: CRJ Seat 13D
Posts: 349
Anyone have an updated interview gouge? Thanks!
11-20-2009, 06:55 AM
#200
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: B767
Posts: 814
Throwing stones?, how is it that the destruction of this industry comes back to the regional pilot? It was the short-sighted MAJOR airline pilot that gave up scope for their own personal gains, now look where it got you...............
and for the record we have 2x as many pilots on the street then CAL does, 347 to be exact
and we have 347 on furlough, more than twice CAL
HogsPilot. I am not putting down the pilot, its actually the opposite I believe you guys are worth more than 75% deadhead and should be making more then me being your flying a airplane almost twice the size. Also the pilots may be a great bunch of guys, but does not change the fact that in my eyes it's disgraceful they don't pay for your hotel during training.
You guys need to seperate the pilot from the company, just because I say negative things about an airline does not mean I feel the same about the pilot working there. If it came across that why I apologize Some of you guys need to grow a thicker skin.
and for the record we have 2x as many pilots on the street then CAL does, 347 to be exact
and we have 347 on furlough, more than twice CAL
HogsPilot. I am not putting down the pilot, its actually the opposite I believe you guys are worth more than 75% deadhead and should be making more then me being your flying a airplane almost twice the size. Also the pilots may be a great bunch of guys, but does not change the fact that in my eyes it's disgraceful they don't pay for your hotel during training.
You guys need to seperate the pilot from the company, just because I say negative things about an airline does not mean I feel the same about the pilot working there. If it came across that why I apologize Some of you guys need to grow a thicker skin.
Stick with XJT issues. For example, why doesn't XJT pay you during training? They only give you a per diem check until you finish all training successfully and begin IOE. You see they (XJT) pay for your hotel but they aren't paying YOU.
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