JoeyMeatballs

so in your eyes, you have no problem with people scabbing?


and for SuperPilot's post, I understand what your are saying, however that thinking is why so many people are willing to put up with poor work rules and low pay. Unfortunately the path to a major is not that easy (when NWA was hiring they hired a very "targeted" pilot group, at least from what I saw, they took a lot of guys with just under 1,000hrs of PIC and did pass up a lot of guys with a lot of PIC, again this is not all that they hired but it did seem to be a trend, you can't deny that), anyway the problem is,this industry has changed and one's tenure at a regional will most likely be a few years, so why take the abuse?, does the "end justify the means?" maybe it does, but if the QOL and pay at the regionals improves I would imagine the pay & QOL at the majors will improve.

An example are the guys that went from XJT over to CAL, a lot of those guys are hardcore and simply wont accept the fact that they had better work rules when they were at XJT, so now that their contract is up they are fighting tooth and nail to make sure they get a better contract

anyway enough of the rambling

Superpilot92

there in lies the problem, all regionals suck in their own ways. Some are better than others but theres only so much you can polish a turd.

colinflyin

It's all about money, generally all regional fo's make anywhere from 14k to 23k their first year no ifs ands or buts, Then mid to high 20's to 30's second year. Captains 50-60k. ALL regionals are the same except maybe for Horizon who actually treat and pay their pilots half way descent. Yes Skywest and Xjet are awesome whatever, but we all have one goal, well for me now is to get hired flying anything, but it is to get to the "Majors" These forums make everyone depressed including myself. I've been a member of this site longer than most, let's try helping each other out instead of ridiculing the airlines. I would be so gracious to get hired by Compass, the airlines can do whatever they want. Like my dad told me growing up why can they charge 9 dollars a beer at a sporting event or pay a professional pilot 14k a year well son because "THEY CAN". Pilots helping pilots isn't that what this site is suppose to be about.

cfitstew

Thank you. My point exactly.

JoeyMeatballs

^ not true, living in base I made $50,000 as an F/O last year, that shows what a solid contract can do, a regional is just not a regional.........

You guys have to change your mentality of just looking at regionals in terms of upgrade.

Whats depressing is watching guys take years of abuse to get a shot at a major.........

My goal is to move on, but Im not willing to sacrifice my life for it. Flying is a JOB, too many people let it consume their lives, before you know it, we will all be on the 757 at some bankrupt airline wondering what the hell happened and where did it all go

Superpilot92

come on joey, he's talking about taking a chance on CPZ. Thats not scabbing

XJT offers some things that CPZ doesnt and CPZ offers some things that XJT doesnt. Personally i cant blame a guy for taking a chance on CPZ as opposed to being junior or furloughed from XJT. Who knows when these furloughed guys will get recalled much less upgrade. CPZ while it needs improvements in its contract offers alot of Potential if everything pays off. Its a choice and a risk either way.

JoeyMeatballs

haha I'm not calling guys that go to Compass scabs, that was'nt what I was getting at.

NextGen

But how much were you whoring out yourself and picking up open time while your buddies are getting layed off..Bottom line is, you did what was necessary for you and your family buy whoring to get that $50,000 as an FO. The guy that is applying to Compass to fly for 75% DH pay is doing they same thing in my opinion.

JoeyMeatballs

Open time pickup was when we did not have anyone on the streets, ADV pickups legit when we have guys on the street.

Look, I understand that Compass has a lot of potential due to the flowthrough, but I would hope that people would go there with the intent of leaving it a better place for the guys that come in behind them. I would hope guys would make it a point (after their year of probation) to ensure that new-hires have their hotels paid for and they get a better payrate on the 175. I just hate to see people get gitty over an airline job when in reality its a pretty Sh*tty job (not just Compass I mean all of them)

The problem is we ALL get so caught up in this industry if we take a step back and look at what they put us through for such low pay, its pathetic.........

Superpilot92

ok you are a relatively senior fo in EWR right? Not all guys live in base and not all FO's are senior. Would you tone be different if you werent able to be based in EWR and you didnt have bidding power? How long will you be in the right seat? If the Captains that could have moved on but didnt actually moved on would you be a captain? I understand and respect that you're trying to make it better but most people out there have no intention on purposefully sticking it out at a regional wondering when the next rug gets pulled out. The unfortunate truth is people need to be able to get in and out of the regionals ASAP. You and i both know that if a regional gets to expensive then it will gets cut. This is why we need to recapture flying at the majors because if we dont then the endless whipsaw will continue at the regional level.