johnso29

So that makes it OK?

ToiletDuck

Midwest is the airline. Midwest Express is the regional feeder. Midwest Airlines parked some of their airplanes and replaced them with RAH planes to lower operating cost so that they wouldn't collapse entirely. They also took a loan from RAH to give them money to operate with. Had they not downsized as well as secured financing(It's not free money) from RAH their doors would have closed for good. With the current credit crunch companies with sub-par credit ratings are unable to obtain financing.

So it was either options:

A) Go BK and close the doors.
B) Downsize and outsource.

I guess you can pick your poison. Would you rather all the pilots be put on the street with no hopes of returning or settle for what's taken place with hopes of return later while saving a few jobs (even if at cut wages)? That's not rhetorical that's an actual question to you.

Both of these decisions were in the hands of Midwest management. Neither pilot group knew anything about any of the deals taking place until it was in the papers.

No one is expected to be happy about what's going on with brethren out walking the sidewalks but this is what happened. Neither group wanted to be put in this situation but here they both are at the doing so of managements. Something had to give or go broke over there.

What exactly do either of you expect the pilots of both groups to do that isn't already being done? I'm sure any reasonable solution would be accepted. Don't just try and be some cheap shot armchair quarterback. If you know of anything that either pilot group can do please speak up.

johnso29

Quit trying to justify the undercutting that is going on here. I'm pretty certain that A LOT of the pilots won't come back BECAUSE they're wages have been driven so low. Stop trying to make it look like RAH is saving Midwest. RAH is REPLACING Midwest. Flying Midwest routes that Midwest airplanes operated by Midwest pilots USED to fly.

rlh724

Just like every other regional, Mesaba REPLACING NWA mainline routes, Air-Wisky REPLACING Usairways mainline flights and blah blah blah. Thats just how this industry is and all you can do is just deal with it.

johnso29

Yeah, just deal with it.

rlh724

Well, whats the solution in all seriousness? Regional carriers have been taking away mainline flights for years now.

johnso29

And those who continue to apply, interview, and fly continue to support it. We drew a line in the sand at DAL, and I hope others will soon follow.

contrails

That is what more people need to understand.

The pilots at the vendor airlines do not have a choice in the matter.

The mainline pilots are the ones that must resist concessions to scope.

Tinpusher007

And a large % of those who continue to apply had nothing to do with the rank and file who voted to allow the scope that lets jets be flown at their respective airlines. Now its all our fault? Seniority is everything, but we are supposed to forgo ours so that things can be 'fixed'...by whom exactly? Besides, do you really think managment is going to say hmmm...no one's applying at the regionals, lets buy more 737's and A320's and pay our pilots more. There is enough blame to go around for things being the way they are. That includes those directly involved in letting the cat out of the bag in the first place.

johnso29

Yeah, I had nothing to do with allowing it either, but that doesn't mean I ever supported it. I agree that the problem lies with more than those who fly them, however, those who continue to fly them are guilty as well.