Losing Delta and New Opportunities
10-14-2019, 04:05 PM
#811
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Meanwhile there is a fight over JS priority. Which I am on the side with UA. Exclusive feed, WO, whatever you want to call it should have priority. That’s how it is at Delta at least. I’ve never had a problem. If I’m listed on a DL flight and a 9E pilot comes up and says “sorry man”. Hey no problem. That’s just how it goes. That’s jumpseating for ya.
10-14-2019, 04:10 PM
#812
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The question was about UA/AA not Delta. However when ACA/Independence Air acquired the 319s Delta forced them exit the Delta Connection program (and got stuck with the Dojet leases), however ACA management at the time said they could have kept the Delta and UA flying if they had used the old AC Jet certificate for the 319s. They didn't do it because they said it wasn't worth the cost of running multiple certificates which is very expensive due to all the duplication involved. It would be pretty hard to enforce any kind of scope on a holding company because of the shell games these management teams play and they are very good at it.
The scope specifically addresses holding companies. It's not like ownership is that secretive in airlines. It's also not hard to enforce because the scope is a requirement placed on Delta.
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So if we get UA flying, we aren’t joining The Great Jumpseat War of 2019 right?
I don’t even understand the big deal. This is the same thing Delta does more or less and they both fly for Delta.
1. DL mainline
2. 9E (“exclusive feed or whatever they say”
3. Other DCI carriers
4. OAL
I keep seeing guys talk about if it’s a DCI carrier, DL mainline and other DCI carrier are TOC priority. In our FOM, at least what I saved a few months ago, DL still has priority over the DCI carrier. Not TOC.
So if we get UA flying, we aren’t joining The Great Jumpseat War of 2019 right?
I don’t even understand the big deal. This is the same thing Delta does more or less and they both fly for Delta.
1. DL mainline
2. 9E (“exclusive feed or whatever they say”
3. Other DCI carriers
4. OAL
I keep seeing guys talk about if it’s a DCI carrier, DL mainline and other DCI carrier are TOC priority. In our FOM, at least what I saved a few months ago, DL still has priority over the DCI carrier. Not TOC.
For Delta:
DAL mainline
9E
DCI
OAL
For 9E:
9E
DAL mainline
DCI
OAL
For DCI:
That carrier's pilots
non carrier DCI/DAL
OAL
A substantial difference here is that it is time of check-in in every priority step. Delta pilots also don't have any priority they don't reciprocate in kind with the other carrier with the exception that apparently your FOM doesn't have the expected order.
10-14-2019, 04:26 PM
#813
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I think it’s fair to say this was a step towards the OO boards. We’re gonna need a meme mocking Week or OO before we let this boring chat continue.
Side note the real humor is the OO folks in the UAL boards
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10-14-2019, 05:41 PM
#814
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A few things here. First, I am familiar with the Delta requirement and so I used it as an example. Rather than say United doesn't require that, you come back with some weak excuse that it's not about Delta and then a further excuse that it's "not enforceable" because you think holding companies can't have requirements placed on them for some reason. Second, management saying they just didn't want to bother keeping the Delta flying doesn't prove that they could have kept it.
The scope specifically addresses holding companies. It's not like ownership is that secretive in airlines. It's also not hard to enforce because the scope is a requirement placed on Delta.
That priority list you are using seems to still be the wholly owned one and it shouldn't be the case anymore. Furthermore, in a given priority list on Delta and almost every other airline, you are time of check-in with other people in your priority. United is trying to force the other carriers to use DOH in each priority list which is a lot more than just reordering the priority list and makes it a lot different than what Delta has.
For Delta:
DAL mainline
9E
DCI
OAL
For 9E:
9E
DAL mainline
DCI
OAL
For DCI:
That carrier's pilots
non carrier DCI/DAL
OAL
A substantial difference here is that it is time of check-in in every priority step. Delta pilots also don't have any priority they don't reciprocate in kind with the other carrier with the exception that apparently your FOM doesn't have the expected order.
The scope specifically addresses holding companies. It's not like ownership is that secretive in airlines. It's also not hard to enforce because the scope is a requirement placed on Delta.
That priority list you are using seems to still be the wholly owned one and it shouldn't be the case anymore. Furthermore, in a given priority list on Delta and almost every other airline, you are time of check-in with other people in your priority. United is trying to force the other carriers to use DOH in each priority list which is a lot more than just reordering the priority list and makes it a lot different than what Delta has.
For Delta:
DAL mainline
9E
DCI
OAL
For 9E:
9E
DAL mainline
DCI
OAL
For DCI:
That carrier's pilots
non carrier DCI/DAL
OAL
A substantial difference here is that it is time of check-in in every priority step. Delta pilots also don't have any priority they don't reciprocate in kind with the other carrier with the exception that apparently your FOM doesn't have the expected order.
10-14-2019, 06:52 PM
#815
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I have a bunch of friends at OO, and none of them want to deny anyone a jumpseat. They do feel that they are being threatened by SAPA to join a fight that they don’t want to fight, and there’s a polarization of opinion between the lifers and non-lifers.
10-14-2019, 07:32 PM
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10-14-2019, 09:20 PM
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Losing Delta and New Opportunities
But the JS war isn’t about OO vs UAL dick measuring (at least both ways). It’s about one taking advantage of the system and the other evening the playing field. The fact that so many on the message boards don’t get that, blows my mind.
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