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Old 10-12-2019, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by week
Hmm my opinion is that management is banking on pilot attrition matching the rate they lose planes. If attrition doesn’t keep up, furlough.

NH classes are pretty much empty or nonexistent and they don’t seem to mind.. upgrading only to cover half attrition, saying “no need to furlough at this time” etc.


My uneducated opinion is they had a deal in the bag and lost it and are stringing us along because if we don’t move planes they don’t get paid.

Also recently heard PHX MX was told to move to LA or hit the street.

I dunno. If I was a top 100 CA that lived in SoCal I might stick around to see how it plays out. But for those on reserve in either seat, or heading towards reserve... it’s going to be incredibly ugly.

I remember 2017 we had captains calling in on the employee call begging to fly because they hadn’t touched a plane in 50+ calendar days in a row. That was losing 2 planes per month for 3 months...
If they downgrade or furlough that’ll be the hint that the sky is falling and it’s time to punch out, until then it’s really hard to say
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:31 PM
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For lineholders it’s no big deal... for reserve guys it’s very different.
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Old 10-12-2019, 09:09 PM
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How can MESA fly a 737 and still fly for American and United? Doesn’t scope with those airlines not allow it?
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by week
For lineholders it’s no big deal... for reserve guys it’s very different.
There’s gonna be lineholders that become reserve real quick.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
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That plus I heard both AA and UA gave their blessing since it’s not in direct competition with their business model.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
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There's more to it than that, as pilot scope can play a part too. The Delta PWA has a specific exemption for Republic for when they owned Frontier as otherwise it would violate Delta pilot scope.
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Old 10-13-2019, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
There's more to it than that, as pilot scope can play a part too. The Delta PWA has a specific exemption for Republic for when they owned Frontier as otherwise it would violate Delta pilot scope.


Delta has a no no on that in the contract
Republic was the exemption you are correct
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
Delta has a no no on that in the contract
Republic was the exemption you are correct
But Mesa doesn't fly for Delta, they only care about UA/AA.
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jungedrache
That plus I heard both AA and UA gave their blessing since it’s not in direct competition with their business model.

Negative. The whole reason Republic had to go with the multiple certificate kabuki dance was because the APA fined Chautauqua something like 6 million dollars for having 170s on their certificate until Republic could aquire Shuttle and park the Saabs and put 170s there. Old US Airways scope didn't apply to anything flown outside of Airways which was why the 190s were put on the old Republic Certificate.
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Old 10-13-2019, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
There's more to it than that, as pilot scope can play a part too. The Delta PWA has a specific exemption for Republic for when they owned Frontier as otherwise it would violate Delta pilot scope.
Delta has a no no on that in the contract
Republic was the exemption you are correct
The question was about UA/AA not Delta. However when ACA/Independence Air acquired the 319s Delta forced them exit the Delta Connection program (and got stuck with the Dojet leases), however ACA management at the time said they could have kept the Delta and UA flying if they had used the old AC Jet certificate for the 319s. They didn't do it because they said it wasn't worth the cost of running multiple certificates which is very expensive due to all the duplication involved. It would be pretty hard to enforce any kind of scope on a holding company because of the shell games these management teams play and they are very good at it.
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