Losing Delta and New Opportunities
09-08-2019, 01:03 PM
#482
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Captain
Posts: 1,561
We'll see. First 550s are sitting in the hangar at STL and are scope compliant. Just waiting on certification from the Feds which may be a while.
Don't be surprised when senior guys jump all over retirement cash in exchange for scope relief, and Junior guys go for the furlough protection in terms of a flow down at Mana Air.
Don't be surprised when senior guys jump all over retirement cash in exchange for scope relief, and Junior guys go for the furlough protection in terms of a flow down at Mana Air.
13250 pilot votes
After merger with CAL 3750 new hired votes.... lots of them know what the RJ did to their career ... they stuck flying for 70 dollars per hour for over a decade
Past furloughed pilots from both UAL and CAL 2550 votes..
Career stagnation due to RJ evolution in the past for over 4500 pilots
That’s 10800 no votes for sure
Even if the senior senior pilots vote for money as you wish which I doubt they will
No way , keep dreaming fella
09-08-2019, 02:12 PM
#484
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Position: Reserve
Posts: 650
Literally no one is dreaming of scope relaxation except for regional executives and maybe some pilots who are career regional pilots (not even sure they want it either). People are simply ****ing time away by figuring out possible scenarios that might occur.
99% of us don’t want scope relaxation, we are simply playing the game to get up to the next level.
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09-08-2019, 11:06 PM
#489
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Position: Taco Rocket Operator
Posts: 2,485
13250 pilot votes
After merger with CAL 3750 new hired votes.... lots of them know what the RJ did to their career ... they stuck flying for 70 dollars per hour for over a decade
Past furloughed pilots from both UAL and CAL 2550 votes..
Career stagnation due to RJ evolution in the past for over 4500 pilots
That’s 10800 no votes for sure
Even if the senior senior pilots vote for money as you wish which I doubt they will
No way , keep dreaming fella
After merger with CAL 3750 new hired votes.... lots of them know what the RJ did to their career ... they stuck flying for 70 dollars per hour for over a decade
Past furloughed pilots from both UAL and CAL 2550 votes..
Career stagnation due to RJ evolution in the past for over 4500 pilots
That’s 10800 no votes for sure
Even if the senior senior pilots vote for money as you wish which I doubt they will
No way , keep dreaming fella
I would LOVE to see UAL hold the line on scope and get all this flying back to mainline. However I have seen you guys cave for so long I just expect it and figure out how to live in the environment it creates.
In the end UAL pilots will cave due to threats of 500 550s, a billion or so in pay raises and retirement money, furlough protection, and protection of widebody flying. It will happen in the end.
09-09-2019, 03:59 AM
#490
spin 2
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: the big one
Posts: 437
Well Fella I've watched over the years as mainline tough guys like you go around talking big about holding the line on scope and end up caving at the end for the right price. Was there for the Northwest strike in 98 when the tough guys walked out screaming "no way RJ" and swearing that they would stand firm and caved in the end and allowed the RJ 85s. AA claimed they would "hold the line on scope" and never allow anything larger than 50 seats and once again, caved in the end. Delta has always been a wet noodle on scope. I could go on and on. So pardon me if I believe given your past history that in the end UAL will cave just like everybody else once the right carrots and sticks are used. All management needs is 50 percent plus one. In the end you will never be able to figure out how it happened because no one will admit they voted for it, but it will pass....
I would LOVE to see UAL hold the line on scope and get all this flying back to mainline. However I have seen you guys cave for so long I just expect it and figure out how to live in the environment it creates.
In the end UAL pilots will cave due to threats of 500 550s, a billion or so in pay raises and retirement money, furlough protection, and protection of widebody flying. It will happen in the end.
I would LOVE to see UAL hold the line on scope and get all this flying back to mainline. However I have seen you guys cave for so long I just expect it and figure out how to live in the environment it creates.
In the end UAL pilots will cave due to threats of 500 550s, a billion or so in pay raises and retirement money, furlough protection, and protection of widebody flying. It will happen in the end.
