Losing Delta and New Opportunities
#411
#412
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: MEC Chairman, Snack Basket Committee
Posts: 3,199
However loosing the snack basket is part of the before seated items, so that we may not lose out on our unofficial profit sharing
#413
You can take our flying. You can close our bases. You can even raid our snack baskets. But you can NEVER take away the CPZ wave.
Nothing makes my day more than seeing 4 individuals hands waving while passing down Charlie in LAX.
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Nothing makes my day more than seeing 4 individuals hands waving while passing down Charlie in LAX.
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#414
Speaking of which, I missed the Comply message regarding the Kind Bar new hotness. I trust the MEC is addressing this oversight. How long have I missed out on this new benefit. How deeply shall my grievance cut??!
#415
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2017
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 1,285
I hate to see any jobs lost. I started reading these forums when I heard another regional was losing flying. I felt terrible. These people have families, lives, personal goals and agendas, I don't care what regional you are at or what your goal is I think it stinks when another fellow airline pilot Iooses an opportunity. What stinks more is that another airline pilot wishes your job would go to another airline pilot. I fly at Mesa few years now, it has not been that bad. One thing I have never heard is a Mesa pilot bashing an Envoy flight crew or any other regional flight crew. Now Envoy's ground crew in DFW that's a different story for a different day. My point is we all discuss whats going on in our industry at my company we have never wished or wanted our company to take flying from another regional carrier. Thats up to our managements to figure out and squabble about. I know our United contract extension is not signed yet and everyone is hoping for a piece of that pie. Mesa has already put into motion for some or all of the 700'same to converted to 550's. We are probably loosing A 175, meaning 1 175 to Expressjet in IAH as they continue to spool up their 175 fleet in IAH, with the promise of 175sc's about 18 or so going to us (Mesa) in IAD. We (Union vs Management) are ironing that out behind closed doors because our CEO does not want a mixed fleet in IAD pilot contract reasons to long to explain here. So our United side looks promising. Just letting you know whats going over here at Mesa. That's the hold up with United nothing else. It's our AA side that is the uncertainty that we (Union and Management) are worried about. My "personal" opinion is that American wants to bring it in house and Mesa could do everything correct they are signaling they may be pulling a Delta move. We are still under contract with AA till 2022 so no immediate threat there even though the clock is ticking. Regardless, to think that another pilot who is secure at his/her job with FLOW wishes 1300 hundred pilots loose their so they get better routes or is bitter about something management has done is just plain selfish. As a professional pilot and especially as a PIC I think about everyone involved on my aircraft on the ground, my pax ect. I do my job without being selfish and being thoughtful of the big picture. People at wholly owned's are very fortunate and blessed I always wished them the best and good for them. But I can't help but think that the hate I see from some of them on here they get a gloden ticket to fly a Boeing or Airbus almost guaranteed, those who speak will ill about others they don't deserve it, I thought the majors wanted more than a monkey that could push buttons and follows SOPs. Hell I can do that, I thought they wanted pilots with integrity and other qualities that made them stand out above the rest. I guess not if they let people like that just "flow" through. With that said I hope everything works out for my Compass brothers and sisters chin high do what you need to do to keep going or weather the storm our union is open arms and is always here to help if needed. Stay the course and good luck. Hopefully there will be flying for everyone regardless of where it comes from
There are pilots that were hired at Envoy, when Eagle did 98% of AA's flying and Eagle was a tough place to get hired at. All the contractors in AA's portfolio and even another wholly owned undercut them just to steal flying they had for decades. I can see how that would develop a sour attitude.
#416
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 212
My message was not for Compass pilots at all, I only was worried about people losing jobs, I made the comment to the individual who kinda has a golden ticket. I know the game of musical chairs very well, it’s the managements and their bidding contracts that play them. We should never fight amongst ourselves. Even though I’m not at the promised land of milk and honey I always encourage others to get there so hopefully I can get a hand up as well. We are all brothers in our race to get to the top and it’s all competitive. That’s why I had my app in at Norwegian, my big brothers at the big 3 are telling me to come to the promised land but mainline MEC’s don’t want to fight to put real pathways in place to get me there, they were/are concerned more about their wallets than me. Actions speak louder than words so it’s a shame foreign carriers like “Norwegian” want me come fly their aircraft even if it for less money than mainlines and my own brothers won’t fight for me here. I’m already flying for less money in the same system. Anyways I’m confident all of you will land on your feet even if you need something even if it’s temporary Mesa will welcome you with open arms. That’s the kind of people that work here.
#417
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 15
My message was not for Compass pilots at all, I only was worried about people losing jobs, I made the comment to the individual who kinda has a golden ticket. I know the game of musical chairs very well, it’s the managements and their bidding contracts that play them. We should never fight amongst ourselves. Even though I’m not at the promised land of milk and honey I always encourage others to get there so hopefully I can get a hand up as well. We are all brothers in our race to get to the top and it’s all competitive. That’s why I had my app in at Norwegian, my big brothers at the big 3 are telling me to come to the promised land but mainline MEC’s don’t want to fight to put real pathways in place to get me there, they were/are concerned more about their wallets than me. Actions speak louder than words so it’s a shame foreign carriers like “Norwegian” want me come fly their aircraft even if it for less money than mainlines and my own brothers won’t fight for me here. I’m already flying for less money in the same system. Anyways I’m confident all of you will land on your feet even if you need something even if it’s temporary Mesa will welcome you with open arms. That’s the kind of people that work here.
If you want a "stable" regional career at this point, you head over to Envoy, PSA, Piedmont, Endeavor, ExpressJet, SkyWest, or Republic.