Originally Posted by MrToomz (Post 2934466)

But, only partially sold. It will be interesting to see if Neeleman will be the controlling partner or just have minority stake. It is the only thing that has made since to me since the initial memo. But, it also makes for an uncomfortable amount that has to line up before they can hit go:

He has said it will be near a tech center that is not Silicon Valley. Dare I believe it might be Seattle out of Boeing or Paine? I'd also buy Austin easily. Wherever it starts, he gets it up and running early-mid 2020 with our pilots as cadre flying the birds he is retiring in Brazil.

Can the Azul 190s operate commercially within the lower 48 without an N number? If not, they'll need to do that as they are rotated out of the Azul fleet into the Moxy fleet.

I am excited to see the Differences CBT that the schoolhouse cooks up that we have until the start of our next trip to acknowledge compliance. :rolleyes:

So while the new flying ramps up, the planes keep trickling in, MoxyCompass has time to get the 220 added to the certificate and the training program set up.

Some time before the 220s start arriving, our senior pilots have been typed, and are ready to hit the ground running.

Buuuuut, I probably won't be around to see it and will be kicking myself with everyone else that couldn't afford to wait around and sidestepped early. Drawing a paycheck just isn't enough in a field that requires hours to be built to progress. :(

Originally Posted by VIRotate (Post 2934484)

Besides even if that does have happen in a few years, pay will probably stay the same. So it’s best for people to just leave.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2934488)

Uh....

Any EMB-190 rates in the TA?

I don’t recall any.

Originally Posted by VIRotate (Post 2934500)

I wouldn't expect much. Maybe 9E rates?

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2934525)

Pretty horrible negotiating climate to get any gains.
Sign or die, zero leverage.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2934572)

GREAT negotiating climate. Lots of other options out there. Everybody already type-rated so zero training risk. Relatively young group so they start low on the pay scale.

ESOP to get buy in from all takers in making it a success, then half the difference between Compass E-175 rates and JB E-190 rates.
Then start negotiating rates for the A220s.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2934575)

So did they officially announce that Moxy initial cadre is the working plan?
Or is this still purely theoretical?

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2934582)

Purely theoretical. But in this environment, nobody would expect E-190s to be flown at current Compass rates. And if they did it, Compass pilots would be undercutting the whole industry. Not scabs exactly, but ...damn. You’d HAVE to make it with Moxy because no one else would want you after that. Far better to take a lateral to another regional if you don’t have the hours for anything better.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2934583)

Ok, I wasn't sure if they said something in your company call today.

...on that note, what did they say?