Losing Delta and New Opportunities
08-08-2019, 12:13 PM
#111
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
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I'm sure they've known about it for more than a couple of months and I hope I'm wrong. They've also demonstrated their willingness to be less than truthful in order to keep the operation going.
08-08-2019, 12:30 PM
#112
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: executive gear swinger
Posts: 114
The writing has been on the wall for some time now. I think I can speak for the group and say that not one pilot/flight attendant here at CP were surprised at the announcement....I know I wasn't. Management has been very good at giving us very indirect, beat around the bush answers concerning our futures. We all know there are plenty of NDA's in place to keep us thirsty for the half empty glass of water management is dangling in front of us. Again this is nothing new. Last December in CQ we had a chance to speak with our CEO and the tune hasn't changed, indirect beat around the bush answers.
08-09-2019, 03:27 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 531
I just find it a little weird. I’ve never spent time on oo/Envoy/PSA/Republic threads, well, because I’m not a oo/Envoy/PSA/Republic pilot. Simple as that.
I’ve been on the compass forums for years and it seems any time compass gets a sniff of bad news, there’s a flood of these other regional guys coming to discuss, here on compass threads, which of them will benefit. Likewise, when we have good news or rumors, other regional guys (usually Envoy and oo) come to try to squash it. No disrespect, it’s just weird to me. Like why not just mind your own business and update your apps instead. Must have a lot of free time online.
But those guys are a tiny sample of your diverse pilot groups so I’d never judge a pilot group off such posts, especially as 23 year old regional FO’s tend to be keyboard warriors.
Back to the real topic.. I firmly believe they have *something* coming for us in the next 3 weeks involving new flying. Not sure if we’ll like it, or if it will arrive at the right time, but it’ll be something.
As far as the AA stuff, when I was in MSP in March I spoke to the COO, system chief pilot, and director of operations in person and drilled them about all our flying. The Delta stuff, they avoided the answer and beat around the bush. The American stuff, they very confidently said is fine until AT LEAST 2021. I forget their wording but it auto-renews every 2 years until 2023 and if AA cancels any time before 2023, they have to pay compass as if we operated those flights anyway. Something to the tune of paying us $20M for doing nothing. So I couldn’t explain why AA would rather give it to Envoy, a more expensive pilot group(virtually no one has been at compass for 5+ years), and simultaneously pay compass huge penalty $$ for backing out early. That all said, I’m sure they’d prefer the planes at Envoy, but AA is cheap.
I’ve been on the compass forums for years and it seems any time compass gets a sniff of bad news, there’s a flood of these other regional guys coming to discuss, here on compass threads, which of them will benefit. Likewise, when we have good news or rumors, other regional guys (usually Envoy and oo) come to try to squash it. No disrespect, it’s just weird to me. Like why not just mind your own business and update your apps instead. Must have a lot of free time online.
But those guys are a tiny sample of your diverse pilot groups so I’d never judge a pilot group off such posts, especially as 23 year old regional FO’s tend to be keyboard warriors.
Back to the real topic.. I firmly believe they have *something* coming for us in the next 3 weeks involving new flying. Not sure if we’ll like it, or if it will arrive at the right time, but it’ll be something.
As far as the AA stuff, when I was in MSP in March I spoke to the COO, system chief pilot, and director of operations in person and drilled them about all our flying. The Delta stuff, they avoided the answer and beat around the bush. The American stuff, they very confidently said is fine until AT LEAST 2021. I forget their wording but it auto-renews every 2 years until 2023 and if AA cancels any time before 2023, they have to pay compass as if we operated those flights anyway. Something to the tune of paying us $20M for doing nothing. So I couldn’t explain why AA would rather give it to Envoy, a more expensive pilot group(virtually no one has been at compass for 5+ years), and simultaneously pay compass huge penalty $$ for backing out early. That all said, I’m sure they’d prefer the planes at Envoy, but AA is cheap.
08-09-2019, 07:21 AM
#115
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 161
I just find it a little weird. I’ve never spent time on oo/Envoy/PSA/Republic threads, well, because I’m not a oo/Envoy/PSA/Republic pilot. Simple as that.
I’ve been on the compass forums for years and it seems any time compass gets a sniff of bad news, there’s a flood of these other regional guys coming to discuss, here on compass threads, which of them will benefit. Likewise, when we have good news or rumors, other regional guys (usually Envoy and oo) come to try to squash it. No disrespect, it’s just weird to me. Like why not just mind your own business and update your apps instead. Must have a lot of free time online.
But those guys are a tiny sample of your diverse pilot groups so I’d never judge a pilot group off such posts, especially as 23 year old regional FO’s tend to be keyboard warriors.
Back to the real topic.. I firmly believe they have *something* coming for us in the next 3 weeks involving new flying. Not sure if we’ll like it, or if it will arrive at the right time, but it’ll be something.
As far as the AA stuff, when I was in MSP in March I spoke to the COO, system chief pilot, and director of operations in person and drilled them about all our flying. The Delta stuff, they avoided the answer and beat around the bush. The American stuff, they very confidently said is fine until AT LEAST 2021. I forget their wording but it auto-renews every 2 years until 2023 and if AA cancels any time before 2023, they have to pay compass as if we operated those flights anyway. Something to the tune of paying us $20M for doing nothing. So I couldn’t explain why AA would rather give it to Envoy, a more expensive pilot group(virtually no one has been at compass for 5+ years), and simultaneously pay compass huge penalty $$ for backing out early. That all said, I’m sure they’d prefer the planes at Envoy, but AA is cheap.
I’ve been on the compass forums for years and it seems any time compass gets a sniff of bad news, there’s a flood of these other regional guys coming to discuss, here on compass threads, which of them will benefit. Likewise, when we have good news or rumors, other regional guys (usually Envoy and oo) come to try to squash it. No disrespect, it’s just weird to me. Like why not just mind your own business and update your apps instead. Must have a lot of free time online.
But those guys are a tiny sample of your diverse pilot groups so I’d never judge a pilot group off such posts, especially as 23 year old regional FO’s tend to be keyboard warriors.
Back to the real topic.. I firmly believe they have *something* coming for us in the next 3 weeks involving new flying. Not sure if we’ll like it, or if it will arrive at the right time, but it’ll be something.
As far as the AA stuff, when I was in MSP in March I spoke to the COO, system chief pilot, and director of operations in person and drilled them about all our flying. The Delta stuff, they avoided the answer and beat around the bush. The American stuff, they very confidently said is fine until AT LEAST 2021. I forget their wording but it auto-renews every 2 years until 2023 and if AA cancels any time before 2023, they have to pay compass as if we operated those flights anyway. Something to the tune of paying us $20M for doing nothing. So I couldn’t explain why AA would rather give it to Envoy, a more expensive pilot group(virtually no one has been at compass for 5+ years), and simultaneously pay compass huge penalty $$ for backing out early. That all said, I’m sure they’d prefer the planes at Envoy, but AA is cheap.
08-09-2019, 07:23 AM
#116
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: executive gear swinger
Posts: 114
I just find it a little weird. I’ve never spent time on oo/Envoy/PSA/Republic threads, well, because I’m not a oo/Envoy/PSA/Republic pilot. Simple as that.
I’ve been on the compass forums for years and it seems any time compass gets a sniff of bad news, there’s a flood of these other regional guys coming to discuss, here on compass threads, which of them will benefit. Likewise, when we have good news or rumors, other regional guys (usually Envoy and oo) come to try to squash it. No disrespect, it’s just weird to me. Like why not just mind your own business and update your apps instead. Must have a lot of free time online.
But those guys are a tiny sample of your diverse pilot groups so I’d never judge a pilot group off such posts, especially as 23 year old regional FO’s tend to be keyboard warriors.
Back to the real topic.. I firmly believe they have *something* coming for us in the next 3 weeks involving new flying. Not sure if we’ll like it, or if it will arrive at the right time, but it’ll be something.
As far as the AA stuff, when I was in MSP in March I spoke to the COO, system chief pilot, and director of operations in person and drilled them about all our flying. The Delta stuff, they avoided the answer and beat around the bush. The American stuff, they very confidently said is fine until AT LEAST 2021. I forget their wording but it auto-renews every 2 years until 2023 and if AA cancels any time before 2023, they have to pay compass as if we operated those flights anyway. Something to the tune of paying us $20M for doing nothing. So I couldn’t explain why AA would rather give it to Envoy, a more expensive pilot group(virtually no one has been at compass for 5+ years), and simultaneously pay compass huge penalty $$ for backing out early. That all said, I’m sure they’d prefer the planes at Envoy, but AA is cheap.
I’ve been on the compass forums for years and it seems any time compass gets a sniff of bad news, there’s a flood of these other regional guys coming to discuss, here on compass threads, which of them will benefit. Likewise, when we have good news or rumors, other regional guys (usually Envoy and oo) come to try to squash it. No disrespect, it’s just weird to me. Like why not just mind your own business and update your apps instead. Must have a lot of free time online.
But those guys are a tiny sample of your diverse pilot groups so I’d never judge a pilot group off such posts, especially as 23 year old regional FO’s tend to be keyboard warriors.
Back to the real topic.. I firmly believe they have *something* coming for us in the next 3 weeks involving new flying. Not sure if we’ll like it, or if it will arrive at the right time, but it’ll be something.
As far as the AA stuff, when I was in MSP in March I spoke to the COO, system chief pilot, and director of operations in person and drilled them about all our flying. The Delta stuff, they avoided the answer and beat around the bush. The American stuff, they very confidently said is fine until AT LEAST 2021. I forget their wording but it auto-renews every 2 years until 2023 and if AA cancels any time before 2023, they have to pay compass as if we operated those flights anyway. Something to the tune of paying us $20M for doing nothing. So I couldn’t explain why AA would rather give it to Envoy, a more expensive pilot group(virtually no one has been at compass for 5+ years), and simultaneously pay compass huge penalty $$ for backing out early. That all said, I’m sure they’d prefer the planes at Envoy, but AA is cheap.
I hear everything your saying but, I would think that the folks over at AA in the legal department can and will get themselves out of our contract at a discounted rate or better if they really wanted/needed to. I think at this point its important for our crews to keep performing on the AA side of the house in conjunction with management getting us some rebound flying in order to keep the wheels turning here at CP.
I also agree with the person who said that we should also be shotgunning apps as insurance at this point.
08-09-2019, 01:00 PM
#117
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 857
Why do you think all the chiefs suddenly went back to the line. They wanted to get more TPIC and current flying before contract up.
08-09-2019, 01:13 PM
#118
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08-09-2019, 01:17 PM
#119
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 40
Blue skies to y’all! Wishing for best for each on you.
08-09-2019, 01:27 PM
#120
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
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