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Old 11-14-2019, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by N914FJ
Has there been any update on the ZED agreements since we lost those? I know there’s been much bigger fish to fry lately but I wonder if the company has just swept that under the rug too
My guess - and it’s only that - is that if this place doesn’t get more flying, well ....the company is pretty much just going under.

I doubt the revenue generated from the AA flying will support the existing overhead of this place, far less if the company has to pay for involuntary displacements of large numbers of pilots from SEA and PHX to LAX. Without more aircraft and flying it just doesn’t pencil out.

So yeah, let’s hope whatever resources they have are negotiating about saving the company. Otherwise ZED agreements are going to be a pretty moot issue.
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Old 11-14-2019, 09:54 AM
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Existing overhead is not a permanently fixed cost. Who knows how much a privately held company even generates in the first place? Hard to say if AA alone can’t support us. I’m still optimistic.
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Old 11-14-2019, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by yrbroom
Existing overhead is not a permanently fixed cost. Who knows how much a privately held company even generates in the first place? Hard to say if AA alone can’t support us. I’m still optimistic.
Not saying it’s a fixed cost, but going from a 56 to a 20 aircraft fleet sure loses you economies of scale.
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Old 11-14-2019, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Not saying it’s a fixed cost, but going from a 56 to a 20 aircraft fleet sure loses you economies of scale.
Just curious when does the last delta aircraft leave property? We usually have something like 6 crews per aircraft? So basically we will need to shrink to 240 pilots when the delta aircraft leave if they are not replaced. Yikes! Correct me if I’m wrong I was never a good student....
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Just curious when does the last delta aircraft leave property? We usually have something like 6 crews per aircraft? So basically we will need to shrink to 240 pilots when the delta aircraft leave if they are not replaced. Yikes! Correct me if I’m wrong I was never a good student....
The math of 4 per month based on what we’ve seen would result in the first week of June. I think that is around what the original plan stated as well. So based on attrition and hiring.

**Assumptions and Rough Math**

On the low side loss of 25 per month.
Would be 175 pilot loss by June.
Saying roughly 600 pilots at compass.

That’s about 425 pilots in June.

Attrition outside of that would need to be around. 150 to get roughly to that 240 number by June.
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Old 11-14-2019, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDriver
The math of 4 per month based on what we’ve seen would result in the first week of June. I think that is around what the original plan stated as well. So based on attrition and hiring.

**Assumptions and Rough Math**

On the low side loss of 25 per month.
Would be 175 pilot loss by June.
Saying roughly 600 pilots at compass.

That’s about 425 pilots in June.

Attrition outside of that would need to be around. 150 to get roughly to that 240 number by June.
So you’re saying furlough roughly 150?
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Old 11-14-2019, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDriver
The math of 4 per month based on what we’ve seen would result in the first week of June. I think that is around what the original plan stated as well. So based on attrition and hiring.

**Assumptions and Rough Math**

On the low side loss of 25 per month.
Would be 175 pilot loss by June.
Saying roughly 600 pilots at compass.

That’s about 425 pilots in June.

Attrition outside of that would need to be around. 150 to get roughly to that 240 number by June.
Conversely, losing 40 a month which is entirely possible based upon what I’m hearing from the captain group, we’d be nearer to 320. Meaning that if we even just picked up another ten aircraft and the flying to go with it, they’d be canceling vacations again...

It’s the regionals. What did you expect? Get in, get your time, and then go find your lifetime job.
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Old 11-14-2019, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
Because Compass would become part of ManaAir...everything I’ve heard from whispers suggest that’s the route things are headed in. I heard these whispers back in the late summer. This was after David Garrison gave a presentation in ATL saying they were going to 3 RJ operators for DCI. The writing was on the wall then. I agree there letting people go because it’s going to take awhile to spool up...
Called it (not officially) I also hear whispers recently that they are not worried about staffing with current attrition rates. They’re on target with where they want to be and would start having issues potentially in April. I also heard the new AC may or may not be 175s
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Old 11-14-2019, 02:43 PM
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I also heard the new AC may or may not be 175s
Finally it all makes sense. They’ve been mentioning the 787’s in the employee calls since 2017
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Old 11-14-2019, 02:46 PM
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I also heard the new AC may or may not be 175s
The company was built on AQP. To get another AQP program up and running with no traditional 121 training foundation in place would take years.
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