Losing Delta and New Opportunities
11-06-2019, 08:46 AM
#1011
New Hire
Joined APC: Apr 2019
Posts: 9
Does any of find it concerning that this DL drawdown is effecting our AA operation now? I mean AA could pull the contract if it gets too bad for performance reasons. Didn't seem like anyone addressed this.
Even if we end up slightly overstaffed on pilots, Mx will just get worse and worse. Most of them do not/will not commute so they will just leave. It's not like any new Mx guys want to come here anyways. Sorry for the negativity but it's getting pretty bad now.
IMO everyone should be interviewing and trying for a CJO. Even as a plan B. Just sitting and waiting is like burying your head in the sand.
Even if we end up slightly overstaffed on pilots, Mx will just get worse and worse. Most of them do not/will not commute so they will just leave. It's not like any new Mx guys want to come here anyways. Sorry for the negativity but it's getting pretty bad now.
IMO everyone should be interviewing and trying for a CJO. Even as a plan B. Just sitting and waiting is like burying your head in the sand.
11-06-2019, 03:58 PM
#1014
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 377
We had a ton of leverage with AA, remember when they came and asked for there jets back, and we basically gave them the big middle finger and said pay us for the price of the contract or we're going to keep flying them...well that leverage has done a complete 180 degree turn...balancing 2 partners leaving and adding a new one takes a lot of coordination. Again it's all heresay but i just dont think the details are all worked out, I'm confident something positive is coming from all this...
11-06-2019, 04:07 PM
#1015
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 873
I think that has to happen if United is the big player in this game. Part of the reason I'm convinced this is taking so long is because, all the nitty gritty about where the AA jets go...DL is already figured out, but finding draw down schedules for AA and moving those airplanes to not affect staffing here is the reasoning for the delay IMHO.
We had a ton of leverage with AA, remember when they came and asked for there jets back, and we basically gave them the big middle finger and said pay us for the price of the contract or we're going to keep flying them...well that leverage has done a complete 180 degree turn...balancing 2 partners leaving and adding a new one takes a lot of coordination. Again it's all heresay but i just dont think the details are all worked out, I'm confident something positive is coming from all this...
We had a ton of leverage with AA, remember when they came and asked for there jets back, and we basically gave them the big middle finger and said pay us for the price of the contract or we're going to keep flying them...well that leverage has done a complete 180 degree turn...balancing 2 partners leaving and adding a new one takes a lot of coordination. Again it's all heresay but i just dont think the details are all worked out, I'm confident something positive is coming from all this...
11-06-2019, 04:08 PM
#1016
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 240
I think that has to happen if United is the big player in this game. Part of the reason I'm convinced this is taking so long is because, all the nitty gritty about where the AA jets go...DL is already figured out, but finding draw down schedules for AA and moving those airplanes to not affect staffing here is the reasoning for the delay IMHO.
We had a ton of leverage with AA, remember when they came and asked for there jets back, and we basically gave them the big middle finger and said pay us for the price of the contract or we're going to keep flying them...well that leverage has done a complete 180 degree turn...balancing 2 partners leaving and adding a new one takes a lot of coordination. Again it's all heresay but i just dont think the details are all worked out, I'm confident something positive is coming from all this...
We had a ton of leverage with AA, remember when they came and asked for there jets back, and we basically gave them the big middle finger and said pay us for the price of the contract or we're going to keep flying them...well that leverage has done a complete 180 degree turn...balancing 2 partners leaving and adding a new one takes a lot of coordination. Again it's all heresay but i just dont think the details are all worked out, I'm confident something positive is coming from all this...
So you think the 36 aircraft were easy to disperse... but the 20, that’s the real quandary? If their concern was to not affect staffing they would control it with a memo release.
Personally, I think they just need to keep ahead of the attrition and they’re “good”. By not talking, they’re letting people walk on their own and keeping some level of control in some weird way by thinning the herd that’ll be around for end.
I’d love a company update on attrition and manning to know where we truly sit.
11-06-2019, 04:15 PM
#1017
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 126
I think that has to happen if United is the big player in this game. Part of the reason I'm convinced this is taking so long is because, all the nitty gritty about where the AA jets go...DL is already figured out, but finding draw down schedules for AA and moving those airplanes to not affect staffing here is the reasoning for the delay IMHO.
We had a ton of leverage with AA, remember when they came and asked for there jets back, and we basically gave them the big middle finger and said pay us for the price of the contract or we're going to keep flying them...well that leverage has done a complete 180 degree turn...balancing 2 partners leaving and adding a new one takes a lot of coordination. Again it's all heresay but i just dont think the details are all worked out, I'm confident something positive is coming from all this...
We had a ton of leverage with AA, remember when they came and asked for there jets back, and we basically gave them the big middle finger and said pay us for the price of the contract or we're going to keep flying them...well that leverage has done a complete 180 degree turn...balancing 2 partners leaving and adding a new one takes a lot of coordination. Again it's all heresay but i just dont think the details are all worked out, I'm confident something positive is coming from all this...
11-06-2019, 05:24 PM
#1018
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,510
I think that has to happen if United is the big player in this game. Part of the reason I'm convinced this is taking so long is because, all the nitty gritty about where the AA jets go...DL is already figured out, but finding draw down schedules for AA and moving those airplanes to not affect staffing here is the reasoning for the delay IMHO.
We had a ton of leverage with AA, remember when they came and asked for there jets back, and we basically gave them the big middle finger and said pay us for the price of the contract or we're going to keep flying them...well that leverage has done a complete 180 degree turn...balancing 2 partners leaving and adding a new one takes a lot of coordination. Again it's all heresay but i just dont think the details are all worked out, I'm confident something positive is coming from all this...
We had a ton of leverage with AA, remember when they came and asked for there jets back, and we basically gave them the big middle finger and said pay us for the price of the contract or we're going to keep flying them...well that leverage has done a complete 180 degree turn...balancing 2 partners leaving and adding a new one takes a lot of coordination. Again it's all heresay but i just dont think the details are all worked out, I'm confident something positive is coming from all this...
11-06-2019, 05:33 PM
#1019
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Grp Cpt
Posts: 260
I think there are rumors of the Aviate program tied to the flying. Which would mean we have to be United Exclusive carrier.
11-06-2019, 05:39 PM
#1020
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 240
