So tell me if I'm figuring this right...?
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As a newbie starting with no 121 time, I'm going into a situation where Compass is short in FOs because of their hiring freeze, so short that they are starting to look at right seat captains and giving new hires credit for prior 121 time, both because they desperately need FOs and because that FO shortage ought to gradually morph into a captain shortage as they continue to lose captains and start to run out of FOs who have 1000 hours of 121 time to upgrade to captain. That sound about right?
If so, it would seem that a new hire starting training today would sort of have the best of both worlds, if their goal were to fly in the majors. They'll have little reserve time before they are holding a line, and be flying their butts off both on reserve and as a line holder. So they ought to gain the 1000 house they need rather quickly and Compass will upgrade them quickly because by then that's where the shortage from the ill-advised hiring freeze leaves the company.
If so, it would seem that a new hire starting training today would sort of have the best of both worlds, if their goal were to fly in the majors. They'll have little reserve time before they are holding a line, and be flying their butts off both on reserve and as a line holder. So they ought to gain the 1000 house they need rather quickly and Compass will upgrade them quickly because by then that's where the shortage from the ill-advised hiring freeze leaves the company.
Couple that with management DECREASING CA upgrade rates (albeit slightly) to make sure we have enough FOs on property to keep the place running, I highly doubt we will ever reach the point of "quasi street captains" again. If we do, we will be far from alone in that experience since we're not growing and don't have a flow. Couple that with the fact that with decreased CA upgrades (for now) means that fewer people are starting their "Part 121 PIC" chapter in their career when they're most likely to get hired after reaching "X" number of PIC time. That could potentially slow our CA attrition for a bit in the future (again, since we have no flow and no growth). Of course, that could change as the "pilot shortage" causes carriers Compass pilots want to go to, to lower their standards for what becomes "competitive" (and thereby decreasing the effect that decreasing upgrades now has).
That's not to discourage you from considering coming to Compass. I fully believe we have a great group of people, and if you want west coast bases, we should be on your VERY short list of places to apply (especially since we have the quickest upgrade in LAX, if that's where you've got your eye on being based at).
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Good news for new hires is that RSV in LAX for example is 1 month.
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We had 37 start class in January with a goal of 40. In Feb, it was the mid-20s. We are getting people in class and it will take them awhile to get online. Judging at material I've seen, early summer is when all the junior manning will stop. We should have enough new guys online so that doesn't become a problem.
Good news for new hires is that RSV in LAX for example is 1 month.
Good news for new hires is that RSV in LAX for example is 1 month.
The line. Full classes are great but everyone actually passing training is another can of worms right now
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Is training really that tough? Or is it a matter of hiring anyone that can get through the interview process without judging their piloting?
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You have to keep in mind that our training was originally designed for pilots with previous 121time. Cpz doesn’t hold your hand through training. For me it was easy because I came from another airline. With that being said, cpz won’t just cut you loose at the first sign of issues with training. We are very good about helping new hires through training that struggle, as long as your show continual progress
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You have to keep in mind that our training was originally designed for pilots with previous 121time. Cpz doesn’t hold your hand through training. For me it was easy because I came from another airline. With that being said, cpz won’t just cut you loose at the first sign of issues with training. We are very good about helping new hires through training that struggle, as long as your show continual progress
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The same and won’t air a difference since this is a jet and not a prop. The biggest thing most guys/girls struggle with is crm as most have never flown as a crew before. Our training isn’t hard however you have to put in the effort. Once you get here study flows and call outs and know them like the back of your hand!
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5hours of multi or 500hrs of multi. It’s all
The same and won’t air a difference since this is a jet and not a prop. The biggest thing most guys/girls struggle with is crm as most have never flown as a crew before. Our training isn’t hard however you have to put in the effort. Once you get here study flows and call outs and know them like the back of your hand!
The same and won’t air a difference since this is a jet and not a prop. The biggest thing most guys/girls struggle with is crm as most have never flown as a crew before. Our training isn’t hard however you have to put in the effort. Once you get here study flows and call outs and know them like the back of your hand!
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