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Old 03-02-2018, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
As a newbie starting with no 121 time, I'm going into a situation where Compass is short in FOs because of their hiring freeze, so short that they are starting to look at right seat captains and giving new hires credit for prior 121 time, both because they desperately need FOs and because that FO shortage ought to gradually morph into a captain shortage as they continue to lose captains and start to run out of FOs who have 1000 hours of 121 time to upgrade to captain. That sound about right?

If so, it would seem that a new hire starting training today would sort of have the best of both worlds, if their goal were to fly in the majors. They'll have little reserve time before they are holding a line, and be flying their butts off both on reserve and as a line holder. So they ought to gain the 1000 house they need rather quickly and Compass will upgrade them quickly because by then that's where the shortage from the ill-advised hiring freeze leaves the company.
I believe your assumption that we will run out of FOs who have 1000 hours is incorrect. We currently have plenty of FOs who have the 1000 hours, and only got close to "quasi street captains" in 2015 when we were growing by 50% (taking delivery of the 20 AA birds we fly) and simultaneously flowing guys to Delta in addition to normal attrition. Those two things are not likely to repeat themselves (despite how many guys we have leaving for Delta and the DPI for people who were hired before August 2015). I doubt we're in a position right now to accept more flying even if we were offered it due to staffing, and Delta has expressed no interest in going back to a flow of 20/month.

Couple that with management DECREASING CA upgrade rates (albeit slightly) to make sure we have enough FOs on property to keep the place running, I highly doubt we will ever reach the point of "quasi street captains" again. If we do, we will be far from alone in that experience since we're not growing and don't have a flow. Couple that with the fact that with decreased CA upgrades (for now) means that fewer people are starting their "Part 121 PIC" chapter in their career when they're most likely to get hired after reaching "X" number of PIC time. That could potentially slow our CA attrition for a bit in the future (again, since we have no flow and no growth). Of course, that could change as the "pilot shortage" causes carriers Compass pilots want to go to, to lower their standards for what becomes "competitive" (and thereby decreasing the effect that decreasing upgrades now has).

That's not to discourage you from considering coming to Compass. I fully believe we have a great group of people, and if you want west coast bases, we should be on your VERY short list of places to apply (especially since we have the quickest upgrade in LAX, if that's where you've got your eye on being based at).
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Old 03-02-2018, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mpet
for what it's worth... i had a sim instructor in the jumpseat recently and he was showing me the list of the people in the training pipeline and it looked reasonably long.
We had 37 start class in January with a goal of 40. In Feb, it was the mid-20s. We are getting people in class and it will take them awhile to get online. Judging at material I've seen, early summer is when all the junior manning will stop. We should have enough new guys online so that doesn't become a problem.

Good news for new hires is that RSV in LAX for example is 1 month.
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Old 03-04-2018, 09:53 AM
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To add onto V1’s post, there is no reserves that we’re posted today in LAX.
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Old 03-04-2018, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by VIRotate
We had 37 start class in January with a goal of 40. In Feb, it was the mid-20s. We are getting people in class and it will take them awhile to get online. Judging at material I've seen, early summer is when all the junior manning will stop. We should have enough new guys online so that doesn't become a problem.

Good news for new hires is that RSV in LAX for example is 1 month.
Only prob with the number of new hires through the door is only about 60-70% actually get out of the door and onto
The line. Full classes are great but everyone actually passing training is another can of worms right now
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Only prob with the number of new hires through the door is only about 60-70% actually get out of the door and onto
The line. Full classes are great but everyone actually passing training is another can of worms right now
Is training really that tough? Or is it a matter of hiring anyone that can get through the interview process without judging their piloting?
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Old 03-04-2018, 05:56 PM
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Is training really that tough? Or is it a matter of hiring anyone that can get through the interview process without judging their piloting?
You have to keep in mind that our training was originally designed for pilots with previous 121time. Cpz doesn’t hold your hand through training. For me it was easy because I came from another airline. With that being said, cpz won’t just cut you loose at the first sign of issues with training. We are very good about helping new hires through training that struggle, as long as your show continual progress
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Old 03-04-2018, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Fpmx772
You have to keep in mind that our training was originally designed for pilots with previous 121time. Cpz doesn’t hold your hand through training. For me it was easy because I came from another airline. With that being said, cpz won’t just cut you loose at the first sign of issues with training. We are very good about helping new hires through training that struggle, as long as your show continual progress
As someone hoping to interview and get a class in 3-4 months with minimums, anything I should prepare for beforehand while I have time? Not sure if 500 multi is something that will help in the first place too.
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Originally Posted by yrbroom
As someone hoping to interview and get a class in 3-4 months with minimums, anything I should prepare for beforehand while I have time? Not sure if 500 multi is something that will help in the first place too.
5hours of multi or 500hrs of multi. It’s all
The same and won’t air a difference since this is a jet and not a prop. The biggest thing most guys/girls struggle with is crm as most have never flown as a crew before. Our training isn’t hard however you have to put in the effort. Once you get here study flows and call outs and know them like the back of your hand!
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Originally Posted by Fpmx772
5hours of multi or 500hrs of multi. It’s all
The same and won’t air a difference since this is a jet and not a prop. The biggest thing most guys/girls struggle with is crm as most have never flown as a crew before. Our training isn’t hard however you have to put in the effort. Once you get here study flows and call outs and know them like the back of your hand!
5 hours SIC ferrying a CL-30! Guess I've got a leg up with the CRM.
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Originally Posted by yrbroom
5 hours SIC ferrying a CL-30! Guess I've got a leg up with the CRM.
If you decide to come here you will be fine. Like I said, just put in the effort and hit the books through training and you will be fone
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