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Old 10-28-2017, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Exactly.
Negotiations 101.
Company 1 Union 0.
Seriously. I honestly don't think anyone in the association read this and let the company write it...

ALPA has lawyers for a reason. This is it.
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Old 10-28-2017, 04:08 PM
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I’ve read this part of the LOA many times and I agree it is definitely worded very badly, but it keeps downgraded dash guys at their current rate.
The part about downgrading dash 8 pilots says they are considered an “eligible first officer” as defined by Section B, 1.

Section B, 1 defines an “eligible first officer” as one that has completed one year of service after IOE is complete. Section B, 2 states that an “eligible first officer” will be paid per the dash 8 captain pay scale.
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Old 10-28-2017, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Busdriver91
I’ve read this part of the LOA many times and I agree it is definitely worded very badly, but it keeps downgraded dash guys at their current rate.
The part about downgrading dash 8 pilots says they are considered an “eligible first officer” as defined by Section B, 1.

Section B, 1 defines an “eligible first officer” as one that has completed one year of service after IOE is complete. Section B, 2 states that an “eligible first officer” will be paid per the dash 8 captain pay scale.
Just re-read it. You are correct. They are "Eligible First Officers" and therefore are paid immediately as Dash Captains.
I stand corrected. They are pay protected. My bad.
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Old 10-28-2017, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Just re-read it. You are correct. They are "Eligible First Officers" and therefore are paid immediately as Dash Captains.
I stand corrected. They are pay protected. My bad.
Respect.

It sounds this won't be the saving grace the airline needed to retain and attract. Lots of frustrated people out there.
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Old 10-28-2017, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Busdriver91
I’ve read this part of the LOA many times and I agree it is definitely worded very badly, but it keeps downgraded dash guys at their current rate.
The part about downgrading dash 8 pilots says they are considered an “eligible first officer” as defined by Section B, 1.

Section B, 1 defines an “eligible first officer” as one that has completed one year of service after IOE is complete. Section B, 2 states that an “eligible first officer” will be paid per the dash 8 captain pay scale.
The problem is after 1 year after completion of IOE. That, due to the baclogs, sucks and is just a way for .mgmt to skate.
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Old 10-28-2017, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX
The problem is after 1 year after completion of IOE. That, due to the baclogs, sucks and is just a way for .mgmt to skate.
It sucks for a lot of current FOs... for the downgraded Dash folks, they are immediately considered eligible.
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Old 10-28-2017, 05:11 PM
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I stand corrected as well. The wording is very strange but it would appear that you are correct that downgraded dash captains will retain captain pay.

That being said, I don't really know how well this will work to retain the FO's that won't see any pay bump for many many months.
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Old 10-29-2017, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jacburn
Dude, I don't hide behind my user name. Almost everyone knows the name jacburn, after all, it is my name.

Thanks for playing anyway, Ken.
Yes, we know you by Jacburn but you also hide behind NoLies. Enjoy your day!
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Old 10-29-2017, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hou757
Yes, we know you by Jacburn but you also hide behind NoLies. Enjoy your day!
Sorry to disappoint you Ken, but reading his posts, I think he is in the class or two before mine. He had info posted about classes before I was on property here.

I don't have enough time to play that game.
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Old 10-29-2017, 06:14 PM
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[QUOTE=jacburn;2456977]Sorry to disappoint you Ken, but reading his posts, I think he is in the class or two before mine. He had info posted about classes before I was on property here.

I don't have enough time to play that game.[/QUOTe

Nice try! It's obvious you have quite a bit of time on here!
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