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Old 10-13-2017, 06:16 AM
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The company is not doing you a solid by stripping you of being a line holder and making you a reserve pilot.
Are these senior pilots going to suddenly have 11 days off and sh!t schedules?
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Saucy Dingo
How about not forcing senior, line-holding, Newark-based dash pilots to sit reserve in Dulles even though they weren't awarded Dulles as their domicile during any vacancy or displacement. If you are a union representative, please do us all a favor and recuse yourself from any future discussions with management.
In this case, seniority doesn't matter. No more flying will be in EWR on the dash side, so sending us to IAD to sit, where all the flying is makes sense. You can't expect to bid for trips over IAD guys because you are more senior, you are not based there. If you wanted your seniority to come into play, then you should have bid for IAD as a base. PS. I'm not a union rep.
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Not force line-holders to sit reserve for no apparent reason.

"Line-holder" means nothing at this company.
You talk like you have all the ideas and that's the best you come up with?

That doesn't even begin to address an issues we're facing.
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SKNPilot
You talk like you have all the ideas and that's the best you come up with?

That doesn't even begin to address an issues we're facing.
Flying on the Dash is being removed from EWR. Is Dash flying increasing in IAD in November?
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Flying on the Dash is being removed from EWR. Is Dash flying increasing in IAD in November?
The company needs reserve coverage in IAD. Didn't a few guys got displaced to the jet from IAD? someone need to fill their spots. Can't expect to sit at home and get paid for doing nothing.
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Old 10-13-2017, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SKNPilot
The company needs reserve coverage in IAD. Didn't a few guys got displaced to the jet from IAD? someone need to fill their spots. Can't expect to sit at home and get paid for doing nothing.
Seriously, they can pay new hires to sit at home for months in the training pipeline but they can’t reward their senior pilots with some paid time off until their class date. Another opportunity to improve pilot/management relations wasted.
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Old 10-13-2017, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SKNPilot
The company needs reserve coverage in IAD. Didn't a few guys got displaced to the jet from IAD? someone need to fill their spots. Can't expect to sit at home and get paid for doing nothing.
Yes, you can expect that.
You could also expect that the displacement would respect seniority and those that could hold a line would. They certainly left over 100 pilots sitting around doing nothing during the training backlog...

I can GUARANTEE you that this wouldn't happen at regionals with a respectable contract. See: Envoy, Air Wis, Horizon, Piedmont... Line holders are protected. Period. You can't suddenly be turned into a reservist. And with that suddenly be stripped to 11 days off.
Poor planning. Poor execution. Another way to reduce morale and increase the speed of the mass exodus.
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Old 10-13-2017, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by aviatorpr
Seriously, they can pay new hires to sit at home for months in the training pipeline but they can’t reward their senior pilots with some paid time off until their class date. Another opportunity to improve pilot/management relations wasted.
Let's be reasonable, new hires aren't qualified to fly any of the company's airplanes, so they can't sit anywhere but home. If the company told everyone in EWR to sit at home until their jet class, who's going to sit reserve in IAD when all of the IAD pilots are flying? They need coverage; if someone calls in sick, family emergency, vacation, timed out. They can't cancel the flight because Joe or Jane wants to sit at home.
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Old 10-13-2017, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Yes, you can expect that.
You could also expect that the displacement would respect seniority and those that could hold a line would. They certainly left over 100 pilots sitting around doing nothing during the training backlog...

I can GUARANTEE you that this wouldn't happen at regionals with a respectable contract. See: Envoy, Air Wis, Horizon, Piedmont... Line holders are protected. Period. You can't suddenly be turned into a reservist. And with that suddenly be stripped to 11 days off.
Poor planning. Poor execution. Another way to reduce morale and increase the speed of the mass exodus.
I hear what you're saying about "line holdings", but if you got displaced to IAD from EWR, you're now based in IAD, so your seniority would allow you to jump over junior pilots and hold a "line" if your seniority allows. If you're EWR based, you can't bid for a "line" in another base, that's unfair to the pilots that are already based there.
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Old 10-13-2017, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SKNPilot
I hear what you're saying about "line holdings", but if you got displaced to IAD from EWR, you're now based in IAD, so your seniority would allow you to jump over junior pilots and hold a "line" if your seniority allows. If you're EWR based, you can't bid for a "line" in another base, that's unfair to the pilots that are already based there.
It's not fair to anyone! That's the point! It shouldn't happen, and it wouldn't happen at other airlines. When a company loses a fleet type, transitions need to be made. This is why other airlines have thicker contracts. Prepare for everything.

No line-holding pilots should be displaced from their domicile to sitting reserve below people they are senior to. Even for one month.
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