Originally Posted by aviatorpr

Anyone in the class that starts this Monday the 13th?

Originally Posted by LostMedic

I don't really think anyone is expecting a hand out, number one. But the question was why are the regional guys upset at what they got, they should be greatful.

My reply to that was mentioned earlier. Now the CPP is no hand out. Matter of fact it is a really long interview process. This is not flow or anything to the contrary. On the other hand I am not knocking it, it is a great tool for recruiting. We all come to the regional that we are at for our own reasons. But to be indignant to the pilot groups by saying you should be greatful is a bit harsh. I was merely pointing out there are a lot of pilots, that have a hard time pay bills much less worrying about NAI and other airlines. Other issues are mainline are the real guys running the show. Regional contracts are abysmal in comparison to the real airlines throughout the world. I just pose the question of equal representation and to be paid equal to pilots working in 3rd world countries.

Personally, I don't have the money to contribute to PAC or lobbying groups to make a bean of difference. And good on you that you got into the majors. But a rising tide should float all ships. You need to stop personalizing the questions, but understand that there are people out here that are very frustrated. This is not about your success story, or how you personally won the game. This is about all pilots, be it RJ, LCC, Legacy, ect... We need to stop climbing all over each other and help each other. But to do that you have to understand what people need and care about.

So yeah tell us are you going to support us? So far we have blindly support you. That is what people are thinking. These are all just observations of the course of years working at the regionals.

P.S. Now to say I am backing NAI was kind of a jump, and accusing me of supporting it is kind of slanderous. But I am not going to jump anyone that goes there, nor another airline. I may not be happy about it, but how dare I judge them, for that maybe what is best for the family.

Originally Posted by Aquaticus

You are explaining exactly why your opinion doesn't matter to the industry at large. I respect you as a peer but the industry as a whole will step over you in a heartbeat. You are easily replaceable and are willing to do what is best for your own self. Pilots are notoriously selfish and will figuratively step on one another to gain a better position. The "new" jets your airline is receiving were previously flown by pilots with the same aspirations and career outlooks that you have. They were making a solid living sitting in that same seat with opinions on the CPP and national seniority lists and complaints about future contracts. They probably supported mainline pilots agenda too. You are continually being replaced with fresh faces and "new" opinions but the new faces still happily sit in the seat that once belonged to someone that had been around the block a few times.

So you want mainline pilots support when the seats you are sitting in are still warm from the previous group of pilots and there are a whole gaggle of people who probably haven't even soloed yet that are willing to fly that jet for pennies on the dollar in 5 years? To be clear this isn't a personal attack on any one pilot but more an explanation of why a union is the only way back to a semblance of sanity in this career. Outsourcing created this problem of divisive groups within the same group of peers and they need to go away. The CPP is merely a way to divide us even more by selectively handing out better treatment to select individuals. Offering a leg up to any one pilot group is just aggravating the already frustrating situation at all the other airlines. We need to get rid of outsourcing and make your first airline interview be your last airline interview.

Originally Posted by LostMedic

My point is exactly that We have no Union. We play musical chairs here in the regionals. You have to adapt down here and read the tea leaves as best you can. Yes the mainline has the power not us. As far as a union only the mainline has one. We sit here and feed on the scrapes. I am very well aware of this. As far as those jets, yeah I know the story, and we have many who came over here from where they came from. Mainline controls them, and the regional pilots continue to play the lottery down in the trenches.

Only in the US do you see this, funny how even in China pilots are treated better. Think about that for a second.

Originally Posted by hslightnin

not to mention the massive conflict of interest having the same union represent both the contractors and mainline