MitsubishiPilot

This year, 10 of them. No, whoever has the time flows. There is no hire date given, it is based on what class you are given at United, as far as we know.

Eugenelee1987

This United CPP is certainly not quite clear and not transparent, but if you are set on United is one of the optimistic paths out there. In regards to XJT and their CPP, they have a chance at an interview later when their time is up whereas I am fortunate enough to have done mine and been accepted (and will be included as long as I have the required time and waiting for class). Having been former XJT(bottom 10%) this path is much quicker by 4X.

However, it is hard to relate this to other majors. American prefers flow throughs with 10-15 year waits from regional to major as heard from their pilots and delta is in a world of their own. And each major has a unique culture that people look for.

People who are griping that this isnt clear and laid out well enough, it is a big risk to try something and be at a company you havent heard good things about. For someone new who hasnt been in the industry long enough, this was a great move on my part (upgrade as soon as i have my time and CPP). I wouldve upgraded in XJT in 5-8 years and not have opportunites such as training pilot or other professional opportunities at a small company that could help me go to any major.

Its all relative and this is a new program for United. If youre interested try it, if not stick to the tried and true way of getting to majors. This industry is very fickle and things change monthly. Also lifes quite nice when everyone I fly with isnt griping about the company and management.


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MitsubishiPilot

Well said, CommutAir offers opportunities quickly. If you live in the Northeast and want to work for United, I would think this would be a no-brainer. The company morale is high compared to other places.

IDIOTPILOT

XJT ALPA has been updating us on the process, not our company or United. Have they even told you about what training or attendance files United gets access to?

Eugenelee1987

No word on exact records but was given the impression from alpa members that it was for training discrepancies and not really little details such as sick calls. Might be one of the 100 forms i signed awhile ago but there wasnt much detail. Basically a 2-3 year interview for united to evaluate you. Not very heartwarming but i dont fault them. Jetblue does it now from inception to hire for their new cadet program haha


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SKNPilot

CPP. Though alot of great people did not get accepted into the program, one must understand that the interviewers do not know these great people like you do. They have a personality type they are looking for. These great people may have fallen short of that because of something they said, or how their manner was during the interview. People's behavior change when under interview pressure and the interviewers don't know how this person is on a regular basis, they have to make their judgement based on what is in front of them.

Aviatormar

So here's a question:
Let's say you had plenty of 121 time (say over 3000 hours), would it possible to first interview at United, hopefully get the job, come over to C5 and then go through training as an FO and get an instant upgrade? How long would it take to rack up the 1000 PIC? Could all this be done in about 2 years? Which fleet would get you to 1k C5 PIC time quicker? Does it seem silly to leave a captain spot at another regional assuming the bases and qol are equal?

Eugenelee1987

You get accepted into program and not an actual job at United. Only a promise for a class date when they're hiring and you're up in line. Realistically you would instant upgrade after FO training and its more senior on ERJ. You would fly more and have better base choices on Dash. People are flying 90-95 hours a month because they're understaffed and you can fly to your hearts content.

Probably 2 years for time. Realistically 3 years because of CPP seniority. Say 50 people in house made it through CPP and three classes of 15-20 have made it through. Some have no 121 time and will take time to build. Some haven't interviewed as they don't think they're ready. So you would probably be like #90 if you join now. 10 people year 1 and 10%/C5 or 5%/UA after that. We need 600 pilots by 2018.(60 a year hired) and United wants to hire 1000/year(50 a year hired) whichever is higher. Optimistically 2.5/3 years. Good quality of life as you'd be 240 out of 600 in 2 years minimum with no attrition. Hope this info helps. They need lots of instructors too so you could pursue other professional positions as you wish. Hope this helps.


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Aviatormar

So if I understand this correctly- once you reach the 1000 PIC at C5 you are not automatically placed in the next class at United? There is a seniority to it?

Eugenelee1987

Yes. First is in-house. Those who have passed all interview processes. Only about 30-40% have seemed to make it.

Then all new hires from interview date. I interviewed literally the 2nd day of interviews. So i am just after the initial cadre. Sooner you apply and interview with United the better.

Now the last part is important. Only those who qualify will be given class dates. If they do not have 1000 PIC or 3000 total, they will be bypassed until they reach requirement. If you start now as an almost direct entry captain you will bypass them. If you're next in line with the required experience.

In my Feb class only 4/16 had the 1000 hours and many have not interviewed. I am assuming it is similar in other classes. And i assume it is similar to other classes. On the other hand, those who didn't pass interview in company before have a chance to redo interview and they will most likely have 1000 PIC. They could bypass you since you wont have time in one year. Hard to predict the future with hard numbers but you get the idea.

You can also apply to United the regular way. While in this airline and CPP. hope this helps


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