QOL and Shorter Trip possibilities?
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QOL and Shorter Trip possibilities?
First post - long time reader. I have the hours to apply to a regional now and need to decide where I am applying. I have savings and a business I run around the greater Washington DC region and am equidistant to IAD, BWI, and DCA.
I realize pay will suck for some time as will schedule. I have two soon to be three young kids at home, good extended family support, a nanny, and a spouse with a good income as well.
With the looming pilot shortage I will kick myself for not getting my ATP now and getting twin turbine time and eventually turbine PIC time.
Again, fully understand I’ll be gone a lot at first and hope I can trade pay for better QOL after a year or two and then again should I move up to a major, cargo, or corporate/contact gig. I realize I’ll miss bdays, weekends, etc for some time.
CommutAir is attractive for the following reasons:
-Base locations. I can get IAD pretty soon if not immediately.
-Classroom training is at IAD so I can be home at night for INDOC (sims are not local)
-Quick upgrades, growing fleet, lots of flying
Bad:
-Away too much during the month.
-I hear odd thing about junior manning, Captain qualified FO’s,
-Only reserve is airport reserve. If in base 2 hour or even 12 hour reserve would be nice.
Question at CommuteAir:
1. How many 1 and 2 night trips are offered out of the Dulles base?
2. Is it possible to teach some of the classes and also fly?
3. It is possible to hold 2 1 night trips in a row so you fly four days but are only gone 2 days?
4. What is the minimum amount of hours to fly and keep your contact?
I think my family could deal with me being away 8 nights a month. 12-16 probably not.
Thanks.
I realize pay will suck for some time as will schedule. I have two soon to be three young kids at home, good extended family support, a nanny, and a spouse with a good income as well.
With the looming pilot shortage I will kick myself for not getting my ATP now and getting twin turbine time and eventually turbine PIC time.
Again, fully understand I’ll be gone a lot at first and hope I can trade pay for better QOL after a year or two and then again should I move up to a major, cargo, or corporate/contact gig. I realize I’ll miss bdays, weekends, etc for some time.
CommutAir is attractive for the following reasons:
-Base locations. I can get IAD pretty soon if not immediately.
-Classroom training is at IAD so I can be home at night for INDOC (sims are not local)
-Quick upgrades, growing fleet, lots of flying
Bad:
-Away too much during the month.
-I hear odd thing about junior manning, Captain qualified FO’s,
-Only reserve is airport reserve. If in base 2 hour or even 12 hour reserve would be nice.
Question at CommuteAir:
1. How many 1 and 2 night trips are offered out of the Dulles base?
2. Is it possible to teach some of the classes and also fly?
3. It is possible to hold 2 1 night trips in a row so you fly four days but are only gone 2 days?
4. What is the minimum amount of hours to fly and keep your contact?
I think my family could deal with me being away 8 nights a month. 12-16 probably not.
Thanks.
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Most trips are 3 and 4 days. there are some day trips and some two day trips but not all that many. In this industry you should expect to be sleeping in a hotel 15 days a month or so. If 8 days in the road is all that you can muster 121 isn't going to work for you.
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I hear you loud and clear and it's a reason I have not yet applied. That said, right now, to get my ATP and some turbine time would be huge for any future period in aviation. I won't regret not doing it in 20 years.
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Revised questions for CommuteAir:
1. How many 1 night (2 days) and 2 night (3 days) trips are offered out of the Dulles base?
2. Is it possible to teach some of the ground school classes at CommutAir and also fly? This way I would be home those evenings. As an example, fly two 3 day/2night trips and teach eight-ten days a month - that's the full time frame but I'm only gone 6 nights. It's okay to be gone most weekends.
3. It is possible to hold two separate one night trips in a row so you fly four days but are only gone 2 nights? Meaning you leave day 1 overnight somewhere, come back to IAD day 2, go home, go back the next day 3 to IAD and fly, overnight somewhere and come back day 4? That way on a 3 night 4 day drip, you are home on day 2 and only spend nights 1 and 3 away. If they are not bid this way, can you swap with other pilots to be this way (obviously not guaranteed)?
4. What is the minimum amount of hours to fly and keep your contact? I know 75 is the minimum paid guarantee if you try to schedule and fly, but what is the minimum you can schedule for and keep your contract as a pilot with CommutAir?
Thanks!
1. How many 1 night (2 days) and 2 night (3 days) trips are offered out of the Dulles base?
2. Is it possible to teach some of the ground school classes at CommutAir and also fly? This way I would be home those evenings. As an example, fly two 3 day/2night trips and teach eight-ten days a month - that's the full time frame but I'm only gone 6 nights. It's okay to be gone most weekends.
3. It is possible to hold two separate one night trips in a row so you fly four days but are only gone 2 nights? Meaning you leave day 1 overnight somewhere, come back to IAD day 2, go home, go back the next day 3 to IAD and fly, overnight somewhere and come back day 4? That way on a 3 night 4 day drip, you are home on day 2 and only spend nights 1 and 3 away. If they are not bid this way, can you swap with other pilots to be this way (obviously not guaranteed)?
4. What is the minimum amount of hours to fly and keep your contact? I know 75 is the minimum paid guarantee if you try to schedule and fly, but what is the minimum you can schedule for and keep your contract as a pilot with CommutAir?
Thanks!
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Revised questions for CommuteAir:
1. How many 1 night (2 days) and 2 night (3 days) trips are offered out of the Dulles base?
In Nov there were 11 one day trips, 7 two days, 34 three day, 56 four days, 28 five days trips. It changes every month so this is just a snap shot
2. Is it possible to teach some of the ground school classes at CommutAir and also fly? This way I would be home those evenings. As an example, fly two 3 day/2night trips and teach eight-ten days a month - that's the full time frame but I'm only gone 6 nights. It's okay to be gone most weekends.
We do have ground instructors in IAD, but with the compay going with off line instructors in the sim, who knows what the future holds here too.
3. It is possible to hold two separate one night trips in a row so you fly four days but are only gone 2 nights? Meaning you leave day 1 overnight somewhere, come back to IAD day 2, go home, go back the next day 3 to IAD and fly, overnight somewhere and come back day 4? That way on a 3 night 4 day drip, you are home on day 2 and only spend nights 1 and 3 away. If they are not bid this way, can you swap with other pilots to be this way (obviously not guaranteed)?
possable, but not likely just because of the available options.
4. What is the minimum amount of hours to fly and keep your contact? I know 75 is the minimum paid guarantee if you try to schedule and fly, but what is the minimum you can schedule for and keep your contract as a pilot with CommutAir?
I know you can drop trips below guarantee, but don’t know what the min is. If you drop below gaurantee, you decrease your pay. The hard part is finding someone willing and able to take your trips.
Thanks!
1. How many 1 night (2 days) and 2 night (3 days) trips are offered out of the Dulles base?
In Nov there were 11 one day trips, 7 two days, 34 three day, 56 four days, 28 five days trips. It changes every month so this is just a snap shot
2. Is it possible to teach some of the ground school classes at CommutAir and also fly? This way I would be home those evenings. As an example, fly two 3 day/2night trips and teach eight-ten days a month - that's the full time frame but I'm only gone 6 nights. It's okay to be gone most weekends.
We do have ground instructors in IAD, but with the compay going with off line instructors in the sim, who knows what the future holds here too.
3. It is possible to hold two separate one night trips in a row so you fly four days but are only gone 2 nights? Meaning you leave day 1 overnight somewhere, come back to IAD day 2, go home, go back the next day 3 to IAD and fly, overnight somewhere and come back day 4? That way on a 3 night 4 day drip, you are home on day 2 and only spend nights 1 and 3 away. If they are not bid this way, can you swap with other pilots to be this way (obviously not guaranteed)?
possable, but not likely just because of the available options.
4. What is the minimum amount of hours to fly and keep your contact? I know 75 is the minimum paid guarantee if you try to schedule and fly, but what is the minimum you can schedule for and keep your contract as a pilot with CommutAir?
I know you can drop trips below guarantee, but don’t know what the min is. If you drop below gaurantee, you decrease your pay. The hard part is finding someone willing and able to take your trips.
Thanks!
We also have a few split duty trips available. Low on flight time, but lots of time at home. They work by flying the last flight out from IAD usually around 10, sleeping for 3-4 hours and then flying the first flight back in the morning. They can be hard on the body, but you are gone when everyone else is asleep and home when they are awake. Usually they go Jr.
Typically the trips are set up so we do mornings or evening flights. If you are have the mornings, your last day should finish early to mid afternoon. If you have the evening, your first day usually does not start until the afternoon.
Last month my awarded schedule was 10 nights away (not days worked), this month it is 15. It constantly changes
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Thank you for your answers:
Does anyone know the minimum number of hours to fly to keep the contract?
I fully recognize it will result in less pay. That’s not the issue. QOL is. I want to be able to fly less with low seniority until seniority builds a bit and I can get a schedule that works for my family. I know the first six months to a year I’ll be gone a lot. I want to know if that is possible at C5 after a while to have QOL or if I should head to PSA, RAH, or a different local based regional.
I want to choose an regional with a DCA/IAD/BWI = WAS base where I can get my 2000 turbine time including 1000 pic, ATP, and the experience to then go to a major or simply contract fly around DC.
It’s all about being home enough for my family. As noted, this may not work out - but I’m going to kick myself in 20 years if I didn’t get my ATP and 2000 hours turbine when I could have.
Thanks!
Does anyone know the minimum number of hours to fly to keep the contract?
I fully recognize it will result in less pay. That’s not the issue. QOL is. I want to be able to fly less with low seniority until seniority builds a bit and I can get a schedule that works for my family. I know the first six months to a year I’ll be gone a lot. I want to know if that is possible at C5 after a while to have QOL or if I should head to PSA, RAH, or a different local based regional.
I want to choose an regional with a DCA/IAD/BWI = WAS base where I can get my 2000 turbine time including 1000 pic, ATP, and the experience to then go to a major or simply contract fly around DC.
It’s all about being home enough for my family. As noted, this may not work out - but I’m going to kick myself in 20 years if I didn’t get my ATP and 2000 hours turbine when I could have.
Thanks!
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Thank you for your answers:
Does anyone know the minimum number of hours to fly to keep the contract?
I fully recognize it will result in less pay. That’s not the issue. QOL is. I want to be able to fly less with low seniority until seniority builds a bit and I can get a schedule that works for my family. I know the first six months to a year I’ll be gone a lot. I want to know if that is possible at C5 after a while to have QOL or if I should head to PSA, RAH, or a different local based regional.
I want to choose an regional with a DCA/IAD/BWI = WAS base where I can get my 2000 turbine time including 1000 pic, ATP, and the experience to then go to a major or simply contract fly around DC.
It’s all about being home enough for my family. As noted, this may not work out - but I’m going to kick myself in 20 years if I didn’t get my ATP and 2000 hours turbine when I could have.
Thanks!
Does anyone know the minimum number of hours to fly to keep the contract?
I fully recognize it will result in less pay. That’s not the issue. QOL is. I want to be able to fly less with low seniority until seniority builds a bit and I can get a schedule that works for my family. I know the first six months to a year I’ll be gone a lot. I want to know if that is possible at C5 after a while to have QOL or if I should head to PSA, RAH, or a different local based regional.
I want to choose an regional with a DCA/IAD/BWI = WAS base where I can get my 2000 turbine time including 1000 pic, ATP, and the experience to then go to a major or simply contract fly around DC.
It’s all about being home enough for my family. As noted, this may not work out - but I’m going to kick myself in 20 years if I didn’t get my ATP and 2000 hours turbine when I could have.
Thanks!
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You don't lose a "contract". You would be hired as an employee, and if you don't live up to the conditions of employment you get fired.
You can't just chose to fly below minimum gurantee. You will bid for the schedule that you want, but having low seniority you pretty much get what ever you get. This isn't some part time type of a career where you can work part time just because you feel like it.
The minimum gurantee exists to give you pay protection should there not be enough flying to give you a full line of flying, and in today's environment going below min gurantee just doesn't happen.
Now as has been mentioned, you can trade trips or even sell off trips to your cowerkers if you are so inclined. But at the rate people are being worked your coworkers might not be inclined to take on any extra flying.
If you move into the airline world, realize that this is a full time job. You WILL be away from your family. The upside is that with a little seniority, you can eventually hold 15 days off a month to spend with your family.
This will be the same at any regional you go to. There may be other quality of life differences between carriers but the above applies across the board.
You can't just chose to fly below minimum gurantee. You will bid for the schedule that you want, but having low seniority you pretty much get what ever you get. This isn't some part time type of a career where you can work part time just because you feel like it.
The minimum gurantee exists to give you pay protection should there not be enough flying to give you a full line of flying, and in today's environment going below min gurantee just doesn't happen.
Now as has been mentioned, you can trade trips or even sell off trips to your cowerkers if you are so inclined. But at the rate people are being worked your coworkers might not be inclined to take on any extra flying.
If you move into the airline world, realize that this is a full time job. You WILL be away from your family. The upside is that with a little seniority, you can eventually hold 15 days off a month to spend with your family.
This will be the same at any regional you go to. There may be other quality of life differences between carriers but the above applies across the board.
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Keep in mind on reserve you’ll only get 11 days off a month, so it’s at your own peril. Line holders vary from 12-15 days off. You’re free to pick up trips as you please.
On reserve you can pick up open time on scheduled work days as long as it falls within the footprint of reserve days and starts or ends on the same day as your reserve block.
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