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#21
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: DHC8 CA
Posts: 94
I appreciate the insight. Hard making decisions with the 121 climate we're in these days. Like most of us in the lost decade we have been trying to do the right things to get hired but the equation for getting hired has changed. I took another position to get another type rating (something bigger than a regional jet) for the purpose of experience and show I'm worthy. No bites, just crickets. So, reason for my interest in C5 with the better equation of getting a UAL interview.
A bit concern of sitting two years reserve as PIC out on east coast, while commuting from Midwest area. On top of that, I'm approaching my mid-forties (can't believe I'm saying that) and having a family, it is also another huge sacrifice I have to decide on. How exactly does the commuter clause work at C5? It's a bit wide open from the little I've read.
Anyone have insight on PIC reserve schedules, days off, guarantee days in a row, LCR/SCR/RRV?
Thank you :-)
A bit concern of sitting two years reserve as PIC out on east coast, while commuting from Midwest area. On top of that, I'm approaching my mid-forties (can't believe I'm saying that) and having a family, it is also another huge sacrifice I have to decide on. How exactly does the commuter clause work at C5? It's a bit wide open from the little I've read.
Anyone have insight on PIC reserve schedules, days off, guarantee days in a row, LCR/SCR/RRV?
Thank you :-)
#22
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Joined APC: Aug 2017
Posts: 344
There really isn't much QOL on reserve. We have very few reserve rules, so expect reserve blocks to be uncommutable and be happy if they end up being commutable on one end. Its almost all 8-hour ready reserve at the airport, very little short call. If you're commuting from the midwest, there are plenty of better choices than C5. Since you value QOL my guess is you'd be searching for a different job after a few months on reserve.
She also said that current reserve time in EWR (my desired base) is less than 1 month. If that's remotely true it's a pretty short time. Of course if they are playing games and treating line holders like reserve guys and extending them, etc. that would suck.
Other info: she said there are now 370 pilots on property, up from the ~300 on the APC profile.
#23
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 412
I spoke to a recruiter this morning and asked about reserve. I told her that I heard they basically have no short call and most reserve is ready reserve. She countered by saying that they do short call and gave the pilot the option of a 12 hour RAP with short call or an 8 hour ready reserve shift. She said "many" pilots choose the ready reserve shift particularly if they have an arduous commute, and added that scheduling will "usually" give reserve pilots several hours notice if the plan is to have you take a trip.
She also said that current reserve time in EWR (my desired base) is less than 1 month. If that's remotely true it's a pretty short time. Of course if they are playing games and treating line holders like reserve guys and extending them, etc. that would suck.
Other info: she said there are now 370 pilots on property, up from the ~300 on the APC profile.
She also said that current reserve time in EWR (my desired base) is less than 1 month. If that's remotely true it's a pretty short time. Of course if they are playing games and treating line holders like reserve guys and extending them, etc. that would suck.
Other info: she said there are now 370 pilots on property, up from the ~300 on the APC profile.
They do assign pilots short call when they're on a trip because the pilot has already been assigned their flying for the day. So it might be technically true they have most reserve pilots on short call. I've done a ton of reserve (live in base and pick up like reserve shifts at 200/300% like crazy) and have gotten short call exactly twice. I've not been used three times on reserve here.
EWR FOs are for the most part staffed (I wouldn't expect many extensions). Our whole FO situation has resolved but we might be slightly low on IAD FOs. EWR CAs are short staffed and reserve is as fast as you can get off CQF. Once there are ~10 captains below you and you are no longer CQF eligable, you're off reserve. IAD CA is extremely overstaffed, to the point where it's a 2+ years to get there.
EWR is a great place to be. Don't sit on reserve long, quick to get a line, fly a ton, upgrade in base, build that TPIC time, and get out. IAD is a little rougher as a FO and is a bad place to be as a junior CA.
I'll believe the 370 pilots on property when it's on the seniority list at the end of the month. Of course, I do have a company issued iPad so anything is possible.
#24
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 90
Does anyone know the numbers that UAL is pulling from to fill their classes?
With the other regionals, I would expect more being pulled into the pool due to the size of their pilot staff. Would it be fair to say that 70% of UAL new hires are coming from CPP/Flow agreements?
With the other regionals, I would expect more being pulled into the pool due to the size of their pilot staff. Would it be fair to say that 70% of UAL new hires are coming from CPP/Flow agreements?
#25
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Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 44
UAL is currently at 55% of new hires coming from the CPP. There is zero chance of going to UAL via the CPP prior to completing ALL of the CPP requirements. We have had 3 pilots in the CPP hires “off the streets” over the past 2 years. All of those pilots were former military pilots.
#26
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Joined APC: Aug 2017
Posts: 344
UAL is currently at 55% of new hires coming from the CPP. There is zero chance of going to UAL via the CPP prior to completing ALL of the CPP requirements. We have had 3 pilots in the CPP hires “off the streets” over the past 2 years. All of those pilots were former military pilots.
#27
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Position: jungle jet
Posts: 102
As in, they didn't have to wait for their number in the CPP, but managed to get hired on their own.
#28
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United hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire in terms of hiring in general the last couple of years, so there's that. But I hear that's about to change. Maybe they'll start ramping up over the next few years and give both OTS and CPP hires a greater probability of being picked up.
#29
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Joined APC: Oct 2018
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There were 3 positions that went unfilled for CA upgrades for Nov.
Those 3 open spots are now filled with new hires that will go through the new hire training and sims as CA’s.
We are back to immediate upgrades when hired for November.
The December upgrade announcement states we are looking for six more upgrades in December.
Those 3 open spots are now filled with new hires that will go through the new hire training and sims as CA’s.
We are back to immediate upgrades when hired for November.
The December upgrade announcement states we are looking for six more upgrades in December.
If on reserve, I was reading you can build your own schedule as long as it is within the confines of FAR117? How many days off between each tour of duty? Could one build a 5 on 3 off schedule or am I off on this with reserve life?
Are reserve guys flying most days, so at least with commuters it wouldn't drain the paycheck to much i.e. overnights out of base?
Do you start getting your 4 hotel nights for commuters even while on reserve status?
What's are some gripes about being based out of EWR other than density of traffic and GDP? GDPs remind me of my days working in and out of ORD - just part of the whole animal in the NE corridor.
Thanks guys for the insight :-)
#30
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 399
So, back to this question above. Has the company started or have they ever hired DECs?
There is no language in our contract for DECs. Everyone will be hired as an FO and then once your on property you can bid for CA.
If on reserve, I was reading you can build your own schedule as long as it is within the confines of FAR117? How many days off between each tour of duty? Could one build a 5 on 3 off schedule or am I off on this with reserve life?
I dont know where you read this, but if you're hired and awarded CA right away then youll never be senior enough to build your own schedule. Best case is that youll be able to hold a line and youll essentially get whatever is given to you as long as you dont bid your way out of a line.
Are reserve guys flying most days, so at least with commuters it wouldn't drain the paycheck to much i.e. overnights out of base?
Considering I wake up to an email almost every morning offering 200% for CAs and FOs then I'd assume most reserve people arent sitting around.
Do you start getting your 4 hotel nights for commuters even while on reserve status?
Yes. However they interpret the LOA to mean that you can get a hotel the night before your string of reserve days starts and then a hotel the night that you finish reserve. Not in-between.
What's are some gripes about being based out of EWR other than density of traffic and GDP? GDPs remind me of my days working in and out of ORD - just part of the whole animal in the NE corridor.
GDPS GDPS GDPS. However United is slowly moving the flying down to Dulles, which should help.
Thanks guys for the insight :-)
There is no language in our contract for DECs. Everyone will be hired as an FO and then once your on property you can bid for CA.
If on reserve, I was reading you can build your own schedule as long as it is within the confines of FAR117? How many days off between each tour of duty? Could one build a 5 on 3 off schedule or am I off on this with reserve life?
I dont know where you read this, but if you're hired and awarded CA right away then youll never be senior enough to build your own schedule. Best case is that youll be able to hold a line and youll essentially get whatever is given to you as long as you dont bid your way out of a line.
Are reserve guys flying most days, so at least with commuters it wouldn't drain the paycheck to much i.e. overnights out of base?
Considering I wake up to an email almost every morning offering 200% for CAs and FOs then I'd assume most reserve people arent sitting around.
Do you start getting your 4 hotel nights for commuters even while on reserve status?
Yes. However they interpret the LOA to mean that you can get a hotel the night before your string of reserve days starts and then a hotel the night that you finish reserve. Not in-between.
What's are some gripes about being based out of EWR other than density of traffic and GDP? GDPs remind me of my days working in and out of ORD - just part of the whole animal in the NE corridor.
GDPS GDPS GDPS. However United is slowly moving the flying down to Dulles, which should help.
Thanks guys for the insight :-)
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