Cujo665

Thanks.
Is home basing staying? Do they do any of that imputed income crap and tax you on the to/from work DH's?

What are the negatives? other than the obvious from reading this thread.

Maintenance? good, bad, average....?

Quality of hotels? downtown on long RON, near airport on short?
crew cars or hotel vans?

vacation?

Decent job or just a stepping stone?

What percentage o insurance and benefits do they pay? Only asking because I just heard of a place that offers high pay and provides benefits, but only pays 10%.... making the higher pay a joke. Full coverages including disability or loss of license/medical?

They seem to have been around long enough to have some stability.

Considering applying because it would be different from where I'm at (a new ULCC still growing) and afford some heavy jet and real international which I've never done. If the pay comes up per the advertised rates it is a job I could consider, and if the benefits package is decent it could be someplace I'd even consider staying at.

be76flyer

You would hate it, gone for large blocks of days at a time. International flying at a ACMI airline is nothing like international fly at a normal passenger airline.
Every ACMI airline is a stepping stone airline right now.

HeavyDriver

Don't let the news of a negotiating meeting scheduled towards the end of the month is going to end with handshakes and smiles, pilots. I would love to vote on a TA like everyone else. BUT.

My opinion. It is an attempted stopgap the flood of key captains that are now seriously looking to leave Omni. Dangling of the carrot worked 6 months ago, let's do it again. Don't delay if you have an opportunity to leave Captains. Omni has enough FO's to fill our seats, so they will survive if your feeling guilty.

stickwiggler

So I'm out to dinner last night with three captains and two rumors were circulating.
First there is going to be another mass exodus ( not unlike what we saw when so many went to Kallita a few months ago) but this time it is a combination of UPS and Spirit with their newly announced TA.

Second, that the stalemate between the union and the company has ended and that they have agreed to meet.

About an hour later, the union put out a letter stating exactly that. There is to be a mediated negotiation in the third week in February.

My thought (and hope) is that this change was precipitated by two events;

1. the union putting their demands in written form with contractual language has given an absolute fixed list of demands (no more management concerns about a moving goalpost)

2.Management's new concerns about attrition and potential Spirit contractual gains tempting the Union to ask for more.

Now is the time. There are growth opportunities abound and that will only elevate all of our careers.

OAI management and 1224...
LET'S GET THIS DONE!

GunnerV

It is beyond time to meet, negotiate, and reach an AIP. Both sides have had a chance to see each others proposal, now let's sit down and come to an agreement. Spirit's recent AIP contains massive gains for them, especially in their retirement package. It does no good for the company to continue to drag things out as the marketplace continues to tilt in the pilot's favor.

Training is already being delayed due to lack of check airman. If negotiations stall another mass exodus of captains will slow things even further, and the only reason the new hires are here in the first place is because they were told a contract was right around the corner. No progress at this next meeting will send a clear signal to them that shopping that new 767/777 type may be a better alternative than sticking around. That is a terrible ROI on training efforts.

The NC has done a great job on getting us where we are now, I trust they will be able to come to a reasonable compromise on the last items outstanding and come away with an AIP to be proud of.

OAI management and 1224...
LET'S GET THIS DONE!

Screwed

I thought "Atlas" and Atlas would not let you have a new contract.

I thought some of you were saying that as long as Atlas controlled 1224 that they would block any new contract because it was to the Atlas pilots benefit for you not to have a new contract.

Was that all bullcrap?

boschpilot

Sorry, who are you again?

LMM75

Be careful...... I had a different screen name that ended up being banned for making a comment to screwed. The dude is here to just stir things up. Unfortunately I don’t think he will go away.

Boris Badenov

Do not feed the troll.

Screwed

The hypocrisy and mistruths of SOME Omni pilots........

Originally Posted by RedWhiteAndBlue View Post
Well said Dutch80, well said!

Questions that should be answered directly:

1. Is “Atlas” the president of 1224? And is Atlas involved in their own negotiations? Are Atlas negotiations going well? How long will it take Atlas to get their contract?

2. Does “Atlas” attend Omni negotiations?

3. Does “Atlas” vote on the “eboard” either allowing or preventing Omni pilots from voting on any agreement?

4. Does “Atlas” have any role in deciding what is classified as a TA in the first place?

5. Are “Atlas” and 1224 engaged in “pattern bargaining” in the context of Omni negotiations?

6. Are “Atlas” and 1224 deciding what “industry standard” is based on what Atlas wants?

and more from the hypocrisy and/or lies....

“Atlas” is a real person. “Atlas” is in charge of 1224. “Atlas” attends the real negotiations at Omni. “Atlas” has the real ability to say “no, I will not allow Omni pilots to see a contract that I don’t approve of”. “Atlas” said ok to 16 days with day 17/18 premium pay IF negotiations open in 18 months at the previous session. This was ridiculous, unreasonable and designed to ellicit a no response from the company in my opinion. “Atlas” has been described as saying “I am not going to allow Omni pilots to see this because they would vote for it”. Because “Atlas” doesn’t want it? Is this appropriate? One must ask what role “Atlas” had in demanding business class domestic travel at the last moment. One then must also ask what role “Atlas” played in describing JC leaving the last session to us as “walking away from the table”-disingenious at best.

Atlas is in trainwreck negotiations that are described in previous posts here by Atlas pilots as being years away. I hope Atlas pilots get all they desire and soon. I support you folks but I would never dream of using you to get something for us. Thats not right. In fact it would be plain wrong. As wrong as doing the same to us. Pattern bargaining using a wide brush is wrong. Everything doesnt apply to everyone. This is common sense.

Even though it appears “Atlas” is functioning legally my point is that its wrong if what I think is happening in fact is. By the tone of some Atlas pilots who post here it seems like those particular few think it is and support it. By the non-answer “industry standard” tone of the teleconference and everything above I also think its likely. The simplest answer is usually the correct one-a well known principle in physics problem solving.


Just some of the mistruths and/or hypocrisy from some of the Omni pilots. There is so much more.....just go back and read it for yourselves.

Isn't that right Fraannnk, Red, White and Blue, Rosebud 10, Stickwiggler, Dutch80