Omni Air Pilot Negotiations update
01-19-2018, 06:51 AM
#761
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 69
So, I just got the inside scoop on Omni and it was just what I expected all along. This whole thread is a farce!
A lame tactic by Omni management to try to break the pilots...nice!
Hello Omni management:
I see you like to spend your days hanging out here, along with a few line guys that are anti-union (probably scabs) with multiple screen names, posting over and over about wanting to vote for a CBA, decertify, and blaming the union leaders as well as Atlas for your labor problems.
It must be fun sitting out in Tulsa in the middle of nowhere playing keyboard jockey. If you put half as much effort into learning how to become effective airline managers as you do trying to beat down labor costs to subsidize your management inadequacies, you might actually be excused for being as arrogant as you are.
Your airline sucks, it has always sucked and it will always suck with you and your team at the helm. Your management team is the laughing stock of the industry.
To the actual line pilots of Omni:
We all support you 100% and we sympathize with your unfortunate position in having to deal with the airline management rejects of the industry.
Let me tell you what your managers, unsurprisingly, can't figure out. The go-to solution to their inability to manage has always been to beat down labor costs. The labor cost advantage has been able to mask their inadequacies throughout the history of Omni. Guess what? Those days are over. Like it or not, the supply/demand equation has changed in a drastic way. Pilots are a commodity with pricing power that is rapidly getting stronger and less elastic every day. They could win this battle but ultimately they lose the war and that is a fact. Beat down labor again, sign another substandard CBA. Okay, no pilots will come to Omni. They shrink until they are out of business.
You guys must achieve a competitive contract or your company is done. Anyone in business knows, you evolve or you die. Unfortunately, you can't count on your managers to evolve. You will have to push them, kicking and screaming, to change just for your own survival. Their time of reckoning is fast approaching and they will no longer be able to hide their lack of skill by exploiting yours.
A lame tactic by Omni management to try to break the pilots...nice!
Hello Omni management:
I see you like to spend your days hanging out here, along with a few line guys that are anti-union (probably scabs) with multiple screen names, posting over and over about wanting to vote for a CBA, decertify, and blaming the union leaders as well as Atlas for your labor problems.
It must be fun sitting out in Tulsa in the middle of nowhere playing keyboard jockey. If you put half as much effort into learning how to become effective airline managers as you do trying to beat down labor costs to subsidize your management inadequacies, you might actually be excused for being as arrogant as you are.
Your airline sucks, it has always sucked and it will always suck with you and your team at the helm. Your management team is the laughing stock of the industry.
To the actual line pilots of Omni:
We all support you 100% and we sympathize with your unfortunate position in having to deal with the airline management rejects of the industry.
Let me tell you what your managers, unsurprisingly, can't figure out. The go-to solution to their inability to manage has always been to beat down labor costs. The labor cost advantage has been able to mask their inadequacies throughout the history of Omni. Guess what? Those days are over. Like it or not, the supply/demand equation has changed in a drastic way. Pilots are a commodity with pricing power that is rapidly getting stronger and less elastic every day. They could win this battle but ultimately they lose the war and that is a fact. Beat down labor again, sign another substandard CBA. Okay, no pilots will come to Omni. They shrink until they are out of business.
You guys must achieve a competitive contract or your company is done. Anyone in business knows, you evolve or you die. Unfortunately, you can't count on your managers to evolve. You will have to push them, kicking and screaming, to change just for your own survival. Their time of reckoning is fast approaching and they will no longer be able to hide their lack of skill by exploiting yours.
Jony hangs out at the bingo hall with her lady friends, Cargo Pirate and DC-8, those two always wanted to be Pilots, but couldn’t fly very well and never got picked up by United or Delta. Shame. Their other friend Screwed, got her name while moonlighting at the local saloon.
Because nothing much ever happens at their old folks home, they don’t have anything of their own to talk about so they spend their days gossiping and sticking their noses in other’s people business.
Moral of the story Jony, anyone can write up a fantasy. Doesn’t make it reality.
Enjoy the shuffleboard ladies!!
01-19-2018, 09:52 AM
#762
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 67
Right....good luck with that one. Try changing screen names three or four more times and keep posting. I am sure everyone will eventually become convinced.
By the way, excellent job on the 35 total posts you have with this screen name with all the posts being on this thread. I know I am convinced.
By the way, excellent job on the 35 total posts you have with this screen name with all the posts being on this thread. I know I am convinced.
I don’t follow any other threads because I don’t care about them. Just like I don’t care about Atlas’s own negotiations. You will never see me post there because I couldn’t care less.
Maybe I should run for president of 1224 and attend all of the Atlas negotiations and just say “no” to allowing Atlas pilots to vote because we at Omni now only want to work 10 days a month and if Atlas gets 16 it would negatively affect us.
We have reached a level of stupidity in these negotiations that has begun to actively hurt the pilots of Omni.
01-19-2018, 10:23 AM
#763
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 67
“Atlas” is in charge of 1224. Real and true.
“Atlas” attends the Omni negotiations. Real and true.
“Atlas” has the defined ability to say “no omni pilots are not allowed to vote unless I say so”. Real and true.
“Atlas” is mired in trainwreck negotiations of his own. Real and true.
“Atlas” has been described as saying “I will not allow Omni pilots to vote because they will vote yes”. Real and true? I believe this is accurate.
“Atlas” has been described as saying “ok” to 16 days with premium pay on 17 and 18 ONLY if negotiations would reopen in 18 months. A completely unreasonable demand designed to ellicit a no response. Real and true? I believe this is also accurate.
Was it “Atlas” that decided to leave Omni pilots with the impression that JC left the table last time unnannounced??? This is called DISHONESTY. I believe this is also real and true.
In relation to the above was it “Atlas” that decided to put domestic business class on the table at the last minute of the last negotiation? I don’t know.....but it strikes me as a ridiculous demand that shows an overt intent to derail progress: FROM THE UNION SIDE.
Does a clear conflict of interest exist? More importantly, is it being acted upon? These are REAL questions that should automatically come to mind when you give this just a cursory thought. REAL questions that demand REAL answers that have REAL consequences for us as Omni pilots.
Now understand: Omni deserves criticism. Omni started out playing this wrong with the many “take it or leave its”. While I am unsure of the motivation behind that approach, I am the first to recognize the effect that approach has on trust and it can be VERY difficult to regain.
That being said, I think every Omni pilot will agree that the company posture appeared to change sometime last spring and significant progress was made. I don’t know of a single Omni pilot-myself included-that isn’t immensely grateful and appreciative of how well the NC responded.
But then the Union posture changed in my opinion. And it changed for the worse and hasn’t moved one inch as far as I can tell. In fact they increased their demands. Now the Union’s position is just as bad as the company’s earlier position. In fact I think its much worse since we now have an idea on what the significant gains actually are.
As a result, I think a case can be made as to the reason and I have simply been verbalizing my opinim on it. There is a physics problem solving principle called Occam’s razor which loosely says that the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
It is my opinion that the simplest answer lies with “Atlas”.
I think its wrong and Omni pilots are being used as pawns.
“Atlas” attends the Omni negotiations. Real and true.
“Atlas” has the defined ability to say “no omni pilots are not allowed to vote unless I say so”. Real and true.
“Atlas” is mired in trainwreck negotiations of his own. Real and true.
“Atlas” has been described as saying “I will not allow Omni pilots to vote because they will vote yes”. Real and true? I believe this is accurate.
“Atlas” has been described as saying “ok” to 16 days with premium pay on 17 and 18 ONLY if negotiations would reopen in 18 months. A completely unreasonable demand designed to ellicit a no response. Real and true? I believe this is also accurate.
Was it “Atlas” that decided to leave Omni pilots with the impression that JC left the table last time unnannounced??? This is called DISHONESTY. I believe this is also real and true.
In relation to the above was it “Atlas” that decided to put domestic business class on the table at the last minute of the last negotiation? I don’t know.....but it strikes me as a ridiculous demand that shows an overt intent to derail progress: FROM THE UNION SIDE.
Does a clear conflict of interest exist? More importantly, is it being acted upon? These are REAL questions that should automatically come to mind when you give this just a cursory thought. REAL questions that demand REAL answers that have REAL consequences for us as Omni pilots.
Now understand: Omni deserves criticism. Omni started out playing this wrong with the many “take it or leave its”. While I am unsure of the motivation behind that approach, I am the first to recognize the effect that approach has on trust and it can be VERY difficult to regain.
That being said, I think every Omni pilot will agree that the company posture appeared to change sometime last spring and significant progress was made. I don’t know of a single Omni pilot-myself included-that isn’t immensely grateful and appreciative of how well the NC responded.
But then the Union posture changed in my opinion. And it changed for the worse and hasn’t moved one inch as far as I can tell. In fact they increased their demands. Now the Union’s position is just as bad as the company’s earlier position. In fact I think its much worse since we now have an idea on what the significant gains actually are.
As a result, I think a case can be made as to the reason and I have simply been verbalizing my opinim on it. There is a physics problem solving principle called Occam’s razor which loosely says that the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
It is my opinion that the simplest answer lies with “Atlas”.
I think its wrong and Omni pilots are being used as pawns.
01-19-2018, 03:01 PM
#764
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 306
“Atlas” is in charge of 1224. Real and true.
“Atlas” attends the Omni negotiations. Real and true.
“Atlas” has the defined ability to say “no omni pilots are not allowed to vote unless I say so”. Real and true.
“Atlas” is mired in trainwreck negotiations of his own. Real and true.
“Atlas” has been described as saying “I will not allow Omni pilots to vote because they will vote yes”. Real and true? I believe this is accurate.
“Atlas” has been described as saying “ok” to 16 days with premium pay on 17 and 18 ONLY if negotiations would reopen in 18 months. A completely unreasonable demand designed to ellicit a no response. Real and true? I believe this is also accurate.
Was it “Atlas” that decided to leave Omni pilots with the impression that JC left the table last time unnannounced??? This is called DISHONESTY. I believe this is also real and true.
In relation to the above was it “Atlas” that decided to put domestic business class on the table at the last minute of the last negotiation? I don’t know.....but it strikes me as a ridiculous demand that shows an overt intent to derail progress: FROM THE UNION SIDE.
Does a clear conflict of interest exist? More importantly, is it being acted upon? These are REAL questions that should automatically come to mind when you give this just a cursory thought. REAL questions that demand REAL answers that have REAL consequences for us as Omni pilots.
Now understand: Omni deserves criticism. Omni started out playing this wrong with the many “take it or leave its”. While I am unsure of the motivation behind that approach, I am the first to recognize the effect that approach has on trust and it can be VERY difficult to regain.
That being said, I think every Omni pilot will agree that the company posture appeared to change sometime last spring and significant progress was made. I don’t know of a single Omni pilot-myself included-that isn’t immensely grateful and appreciative of how well the NC responded.
But then the Union posture changed in my opinion. And it changed for the worse and hasn’t moved one inch as far as I can tell. In fact they increased their demands. Now the Union’s position is just as bad as the company’s earlier position. In fact I think its much worse since we now have an idea on what the significant gains actually are.
As a result, I think a case can be made as to the reason and I have simply been verbalizing my opinim on it. There is a physics problem solving principle called Occam’s razor which loosely says that the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
It is my opinion that the simplest answer lies with “Atlas”.
I think its wrong and Omni pilots are being used as pawns.
“Atlas” attends the Omni negotiations. Real and true.
“Atlas” has the defined ability to say “no omni pilots are not allowed to vote unless I say so”. Real and true.
“Atlas” is mired in trainwreck negotiations of his own. Real and true.
“Atlas” has been described as saying “I will not allow Omni pilots to vote because they will vote yes”. Real and true? I believe this is accurate.
“Atlas” has been described as saying “ok” to 16 days with premium pay on 17 and 18 ONLY if negotiations would reopen in 18 months. A completely unreasonable demand designed to ellicit a no response. Real and true? I believe this is also accurate.
Was it “Atlas” that decided to leave Omni pilots with the impression that JC left the table last time unnannounced??? This is called DISHONESTY. I believe this is also real and true.
In relation to the above was it “Atlas” that decided to put domestic business class on the table at the last minute of the last negotiation? I don’t know.....but it strikes me as a ridiculous demand that shows an overt intent to derail progress: FROM THE UNION SIDE.
Does a clear conflict of interest exist? More importantly, is it being acted upon? These are REAL questions that should automatically come to mind when you give this just a cursory thought. REAL questions that demand REAL answers that have REAL consequences for us as Omni pilots.
Now understand: Omni deserves criticism. Omni started out playing this wrong with the many “take it or leave its”. While I am unsure of the motivation behind that approach, I am the first to recognize the effect that approach has on trust and it can be VERY difficult to regain.
That being said, I think every Omni pilot will agree that the company posture appeared to change sometime last spring and significant progress was made. I don’t know of a single Omni pilot-myself included-that isn’t immensely grateful and appreciative of how well the NC responded.
But then the Union posture changed in my opinion. And it changed for the worse and hasn’t moved one inch as far as I can tell. In fact they increased their demands. Now the Union’s position is just as bad as the company’s earlier position. In fact I think its much worse since we now have an idea on what the significant gains actually are.
As a result, I think a case can be made as to the reason and I have simply been verbalizing my opinim on it. There is a physics problem solving principle called Occam’s razor which loosely says that the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
It is my opinion that the simplest answer lies with “Atlas”.
I think its wrong and Omni pilots are being used as pawns.
And may it be sooner rather than later!
I also hope you get the new union leadership you deserve.
01-19-2018, 05:02 PM
#765
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: Part 121, 135 & Military background
Posts: 379
Ok John, I am going to take what you say as truth and follow it through to a conclusion which I think may get you off this silly rant.
I had dinner in HNL with some OMNI guys I met there. This has been my only exposure to them other than the influx of ones now working at K4. They all seem to agree with the OMNI posters on here, regarding the TA.
If the posters on here are management as you write, they seem to be on the same page as the Pilots.
That would make what they are accusing 1224 of doing even worse. If 1224 mgt. has an issue with the TA why are they not showing it to the Pilots and telling them what the objection is. Oh wait, that’s because that was the strategy used at K4. The K4 Negotiators went up the chain at the Teamsters and were rejected. They then went with the company to NLB and through legal means obtained the right to vote on the TA.
However, if you don’t know what 1224 is objecting to then you would not be able to fix it or appeal it.
I had dinner in HNL with some OMNI guys I met there. This has been my only exposure to them other than the influx of ones now working at K4. They all seem to agree with the OMNI posters on here, regarding the TA.
If the posters on here are management as you write, they seem to be on the same page as the Pilots.
That would make what they are accusing 1224 of doing even worse. If 1224 mgt. has an issue with the TA why are they not showing it to the Pilots and telling them what the objection is. Oh wait, that’s because that was the strategy used at K4. The K4 Negotiators went up the chain at the Teamsters and were rejected. They then went with the company to NLB and through legal means obtained the right to vote on the TA.
However, if you don’t know what 1224 is objecting to then you would not be able to fix it or appeal it.
He claims anyone who disagrees with him is management pretending to be a pilot (without a shred of proof I might add) even though many of us that he list, personally know each other out on the line. Just flew with Fraank last week....
He is just a impetulant little child, stomping his feet, desperate for attention.
01-19-2018, 05:42 PM
#766
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 224
Here we go
Atlas and Omni are very different airlines with very different business models. There is very little overlapping of flying. Any Omni contract will have zero effect on any Atlas CBA. I think you are looking for a boggyman and want it to be DW. But I think you need to look at the people in Tulsa.
“Atlas” is in charge of 1224. Real and true. The President of 1224 happens to be a Atlas pilot, but saying Atlas is in charge of 1224 would be like saying Delta is in charge of ALPA because the president of ALPA is a Delta pilot.
“Atlas” attends the Omni negotiations. Real and true. No, he doesn't. Most of the time it is CG or nobody from the local, but nice try.
“Atlas” has the defined ability to say “no omni pilots are not allowed to vote unless I say so”. Real and true. He doesn't have the power or the votes on the Eboard to put a stop to a vote.
“Atlas” is mired in trainwreck negotiations of his own. Real and true. True, one point for you
“Atlas” has been described as saying “I will not allow Omni pilots to vote because they will vote yes”. Real and true? I believe this is accurate. No idea if it is true or not, but like I said above he doesn't have the power or the votes to stop the Omni pilots from voting.
“Atlas” has been described as saying “ok” to 16 days with premium pay on 17 and 18 ONLY if negotiations would reopen in 18 months. A completely unreasonable demand designed to ellicit a no response. Real and true? I believe this is also accurate. Once again neither one of us know if he really said it or not, but there is some real science that backs up the 16 day number as the max a crew member should be on the road, having said that my understanding is the Atlas NC is shooting for a max 12-14 days per month, so I don't see how Omni asking for 16 days would help Atlas.
Was it “Atlas” that decided to leave Omni pilots with the impression that JC left the table last time unnannounced??? This is called DISHONESTY. I believe this is also real and true. Yea, at this point you would believe DW was on the grassy knoll.
In relation to the above was it “Atlas” that decided to put domestic business class on the table at the last minute of the last negotiation? I don’t know.....but it strikes me as a ridiculous demand that shows an overt intent to derail progress: FROM THE UNION SIDE. My understanding it was your NC that put limited domestic business class back on the table when they realized a big hole in what the company was offering.
Does a clear conflict of interest exist? More importantly, is it being acted upon? These are REAL questions that should automatically come to mind when you give this just a cursory thought. REAL questions that demand REAL answers that have REAL consequences for us as Omni pilots. Is there a conflict of interest with other ALPA airlines because the head of ALPA is a Delta pilot.
Now understand: Omni deserves criticism. Omni started out playing this wrong with the many “take it or leave its”. While I am unsure of the motivation behind that approach, I am the first to recognize the effect that approach has on trust and it can be VERY difficult to regain.
That being said, I think every Omni pilot will agree that the company posture appeared to change sometime last spring and significant progress was made. I don’t know of a single Omni pilot-myself included-that isn’t immensely grateful and appreciative of how well the NC responded.
You know your company is still only offering "take it or leave it" package deals.
But then the Union posture changed in my opinion. And it changed for the worse and hasn’t moved one inch as far as I can tell. In fact they increased their demands. Now the Union’s position is just as bad as the company’s earlier position. In fact I think its much worse since we now have an idea on what the significant gains actually are. See above.
As a result, I think a case can be made as to the reason and I have simply been verbalizing my opinim on it. There is a physics problem solving principle called Occam’s razor which loosely says that the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
It is my opinion that the simplest answer lies with “Atlas”.
I think its wrong and Omni pilots are being used as pawns.
“Atlas” attends the Omni negotiations. Real and true. No, he doesn't. Most of the time it is CG or nobody from the local, but nice try.
“Atlas” has the defined ability to say “no omni pilots are not allowed to vote unless I say so”. Real and true. He doesn't have the power or the votes on the Eboard to put a stop to a vote.
“Atlas” is mired in trainwreck negotiations of his own. Real and true. True, one point for you
“Atlas” has been described as saying “I will not allow Omni pilots to vote because they will vote yes”. Real and true? I believe this is accurate. No idea if it is true or not, but like I said above he doesn't have the power or the votes to stop the Omni pilots from voting.
“Atlas” has been described as saying “ok” to 16 days with premium pay on 17 and 18 ONLY if negotiations would reopen in 18 months. A completely unreasonable demand designed to ellicit a no response. Real and true? I believe this is also accurate. Once again neither one of us know if he really said it or not, but there is some real science that backs up the 16 day number as the max a crew member should be on the road, having said that my understanding is the Atlas NC is shooting for a max 12-14 days per month, so I don't see how Omni asking for 16 days would help Atlas.
Was it “Atlas” that decided to leave Omni pilots with the impression that JC left the table last time unnannounced??? This is called DISHONESTY. I believe this is also real and true. Yea, at this point you would believe DW was on the grassy knoll.
In relation to the above was it “Atlas” that decided to put domestic business class on the table at the last minute of the last negotiation? I don’t know.....but it strikes me as a ridiculous demand that shows an overt intent to derail progress: FROM THE UNION SIDE. My understanding it was your NC that put limited domestic business class back on the table when they realized a big hole in what the company was offering.
Does a clear conflict of interest exist? More importantly, is it being acted upon? These are REAL questions that should automatically come to mind when you give this just a cursory thought. REAL questions that demand REAL answers that have REAL consequences for us as Omni pilots. Is there a conflict of interest with other ALPA airlines because the head of ALPA is a Delta pilot.
Now understand: Omni deserves criticism. Omni started out playing this wrong with the many “take it or leave its”. While I am unsure of the motivation behind that approach, I am the first to recognize the effect that approach has on trust and it can be VERY difficult to regain.
That being said, I think every Omni pilot will agree that the company posture appeared to change sometime last spring and significant progress was made. I don’t know of a single Omni pilot-myself included-that isn’t immensely grateful and appreciative of how well the NC responded.
You know your company is still only offering "take it or leave it" package deals.
But then the Union posture changed in my opinion. And it changed for the worse and hasn’t moved one inch as far as I can tell. In fact they increased their demands. Now the Union’s position is just as bad as the company’s earlier position. In fact I think its much worse since we now have an idea on what the significant gains actually are. See above.
As a result, I think a case can be made as to the reason and I have simply been verbalizing my opinim on it. There is a physics problem solving principle called Occam’s razor which loosely says that the simplest answer is usually the correct one.
It is my opinion that the simplest answer lies with “Atlas”.
I think its wrong and Omni pilots are being used as pawns.
01-19-2018, 06:31 PM
#767
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 67
“Be” I sincerely hope you are not an Omni pilot. Because if you are we are really screwed even more than I thought. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
I have conducted my personal affairs over the years as to ensure my family is taken care of regardless of the outcome of the current non-negotiations. My focus returns to that.
Hopefully, reading my thoughts over the past few weeks will have caused at least a couple of Omni pilots to think about what is RIGHT and REASONABLE.
When this is all over remember which side lied to you.
I have wasted enough of my time here and am done.
I have conducted my personal affairs over the years as to ensure my family is taken care of regardless of the outcome of the current non-negotiations. My focus returns to that.
Hopefully, reading my thoughts over the past few weeks will have caused at least a couple of Omni pilots to think about what is RIGHT and REASONABLE.
When this is all over remember which side lied to you.
I have wasted enough of my time here and am done.
01-20-2018, 07:07 AM
#768
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 36
Ok John, I am going to take what you say as truth and follow it through to a conclusion which I think may get you off this silly rant.
I had dinner in HNL with some OMNI guys I met there. This has been my only exposure to them other than the influx of ones now working at K4. They all seem to agree with the OMNI posters on here, regarding the TA.
If the posters on here are management as you write, they seem to be on the same page as the Pilots.
That would make what they are accusing 1224 of doing even worse. If 1224 mgt. has an issue with the TA why are they not showing it to the Pilots and telling them what the objection is. Oh wait, that’s because that was the strategy used at K4. The K4 Negotiators went up the chain at the Teamsters and were rejected. They then went with the company to NLB and through legal means obtained the right to vote on the TA.
However, if you don’t know what 1224 is objecting to then you would not be able to fix it or appeal it.
I had dinner in HNL with some OMNI guys I met there. This has been my only exposure to them other than the influx of ones now working at K4. They all seem to agree with the OMNI posters on here, regarding the TA.
If the posters on here are management as you write, they seem to be on the same page as the Pilots.
That would make what they are accusing 1224 of doing even worse. If 1224 mgt. has an issue with the TA why are they not showing it to the Pilots and telling them what the objection is. Oh wait, that’s because that was the strategy used at K4. The K4 Negotiators went up the chain at the Teamsters and were rejected. They then went with the company to NLB and through legal means obtained the right to vote on the TA.
However, if you don’t know what 1224 is objecting to then you would not be able to fix it or appeal it.
As far as Johnny Knoxville and all his idiot friends I think Dutch 80 hit on the head with his post about them so leave it at that for them at the old folks home.
01-20-2018, 06:40 PM
#769
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: 747-8 FO
Posts: 69
Maxjet, Thank you for chiming in here and showing the point we are trying to make about the 1224 is reality. If everyone can’t see that the same thing happened at K4 until you guys acted on it then they are all well into the koolaid jug. I myself very much appreciate you posting what you posted.
As far as Johnny Knoxville and all his idiot friends I think Dutch 80 hit on the head with his post about them so leave it at that for them at the old folks home.
As far as Johnny Knoxville and all his idiot friends I think Dutch 80 hit on the head with his post about them so leave it at that for them at the old folks home.
01-21-2018, 04:19 AM
#770
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,075
That's interesting, if true.
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