Dutch80

Ok but, I would argue that whatever the percentage breakdown, one way or the other, reflects the decision of the pilot group, one way or the other.
Precisely what any referendum objective should be.

In your example you assume a 52 to 48 votes down.
What If it was 52 to 48 in favor ?
Aren’t we disenfranchising the majority of the pilots ?

At the risk of repeating myself, an up or down VOTE is the ONLY efficient, intelligent and a above all, fair way to resolve this impasse.

Anything else is a blatant lie, thinly veiled behind irrelevant excuses and meaningless diatribe in an effort to advance someone else’s desire or personal agenda.

Respectfully

Screwed

Let the Omni pilots have their vote

They don't deserve any better than what the company is offering

1224 don't waste anymore money or effort on them

If the company offer is what they want then let them have it

Dutch80

You’re dead on right Screwed.
Let the OMNI pilots have THEIR VOTE.

Weather they “deserve” any better is
up to THEM to decide

If the company offer is what THEY want, THEY will VOTE yes.
If it is not what THEY want THEY will VOTE no.

See the point ? Elegantly simple and intrinsically fair.

One more thing, if by “1224 money and effort” you’re referring to the time bomb billboard, sure they can stop it. Because you’re right again. It’s a waste.

Screwed

Any money and effort trying to help the Omni pilots get a better contract is a waste.

They don't deserve better. If they did they would be demanding the union fight for them

Omni pilots......after you vote in a substandard contract please go join the ATI pilots at ALPA!

seveihtdnasrail

How do you or anyone know it’s substandard?? Because three guys, two of which have class dates at other airlines says so ?? We don’t know until we can see the language which this current union will not allow. Tulsa is laughing at this billboard placed on a backroad and a radio ad playing some bizarre rant. Who’s going to call the CEO ?? Some elderly person that still listens to AM? They should be calling Tulsa directly to work on a deal not playing childish ads and posting billboards. It’s way too late in the game for this. Omni pilots should vote, vote the current guys out and get some new ones in that will actually communicate and work on a fair deal for everyone. It’s quite simple as many has said, release a TA and let the group decide, not the ones who are leaving for other opportunities. They clearly don’t have the best interest of the Omni pilot group in mind.

Screwed

Have you seen the website put up regarding the company offer?

It is substandard and pathetic

But if the Omni pilots want it so bad then let them have it. If they are not willing to fight for better than they are not deserving of better

fraannk

I have said it before and I will try to say it again.

Why doesn't the negotiation committee clarify the language in the company's proposal and put it out for a vote?

There is no question that it would be a win/win for our negotiating committee.

If the pilots vote it down then it sends a clear message to the company that what they proposed is not good enough just like the Union says.

If the pilots vote it in then the majority of the pilots think that the negotiating committee did a great job and they can pat themselves on the back for it.

For the pilots it will mean better pay and work conditions now, not later or they will be clamoring "the negotiation committee speaks for me".

Let's find out. Shall we?

Frank Paden

RedWhiteAndBlue

I doubt that “Screwed” even understands that nearly every time he posts he proves exactly what I have been saying and what the majority of Omni pilots know about the mechanics of this situation. “Atlas” will not allow a vote on anything until it meets THEIR requirements for THEIR contract NOT OURS. He even defined it using the term “pattern bargaining”.

It’s the reason they refused to directly answer pointed questions during the last teleconference. They can’t answer because it exposes this reality.

Dubiousbrother

Not to mention the fundamental premise that we are not in any way interested in controlling, or restricting Screwed whatsoever.

I willingly afford people like him/her to advance their interests.
Let us do the same.

At a minimum, please dont condescendingly pretend you know what’s best for me and others.

GreenFlash

Because the company will not meet with the Negotiating Committee to clarify said language. Period.

The company's proposal doesn't mean squat until BOTH parties can come together and agree to the language of how it is implemented. The company is only willing to meet and sign an agreement that THEY wrote. No talks, no changes, no bargaining. And if you believe that is acceptable, then I suggest you go back and read the language they wrote in our current CBA or what they wrote in the recently passed FAs TA. It's as watertight as a screen door on a submarine. Our Negotiating Committee is well aware of this and is ready to meet with the company at the drop of a hat to work out the details and get a TA that is acceptable for a vote. The ONLY party keeping a TA vote from Omni pilots resides in Tulsa, OK. Hence the latest advertising campaign.