Dubiousbrother

No I think he just embraces free market capitalism, much like myself.

Tell me screwed, what is your governing philosophy?
"Beggar thy neighbor" , "stick to the man."

Very embarrassing...

badlander45

Much like communism, free market capitalism only works in the minds of freshman political science majors, blowhards and Ayan Rand cultists. which one are you?

Very embarrassing indeed.

Dubiousbrother

Spoken like a true Bolshevik.

Communism only works in minds of the oppressive opportunist and the useful idiots.

Which one are you?

HeavyDriver

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Don't tell me how I'm supposed to think. The only thing that is correct is that everyone is wrong on the subject at hand.

AU MD FLYER

For those of you who doubt the level of "EXCESSIVE GREED" on behalf of Rob Coretz and Sam Bernstein, then maybe you should try remembering just who it was that was willing to put the entire Dept. of Defense contract at risk by NOT paying the minimum salary for specific positions (i.e. Capt., F/O, F/E, Mechanic, F/A, etc.) as REQUIRED by the gov't contract!

The salary for each position was required by the DOD contract because it was determined to be a "Livable Wage" for the skill level of the job being performed. It was expected that the tax payer money would be spent by the employees, thus helping to support the economy.

But, it didn't stop there, Coretz and Bernstein were also shorting the employees on health benefits, vacation days, sick days, holiday pay, etc., the list went on and on.

Personally, I'm all for the risk taker making a reasonable profit, but I draw the line when you are so GREEDY that you have to make even more money off the backs of the of hard working employees!

They were so GREEDY that they put ALL of the OAI employees jobs at stake, and the continuation of the DOD contract itself, by intentionally refusing to abide by the stated requirements of the government contract. That is a level of GREED that I'll never forget...

Dubiousbrother

I see.

I could agree they may be greedy (depending on the definition) but so what?
Who the hell are you to decide what is Excessively Greedy?

Have either Bernstein or Coretz done anything elicit, illegal or coerced anyone to work for them?

If you have evidence to the contrary, then I’d like to see it.

I venture to say you and I make more per year than 95% of the world’s population. Many of those people might perceive you and I as greedy. Do you agree with them? Or has your wealth and success been fairly earned?

If not, maybe you should donate the majority of your wealth to those around the world who could make better use of the money.

Do You have a definition of excessive greed and if so what is your solution to prevent it?

Hetman

It is rumored...RUMORED... third hand at best, that there is a TA.

stickwiggler

In other news...

I hear that the negotiations went well into the night on day one, all day 2nd & 3rd
It's hard to not be optimistic that they're making progress...

Anyone else hear any rumor mill?

AU MD FLYER

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Look DB, it is painfully obvious that you go on the attack to any poster who states an opinion that you disagree with... but yet, you do agree that OAI owners R. Coretz and S. Bernstein were /are greedy, but could care less. You are entitled to your opinion, and I have earned the right to my own opinion. You might not care, but I certainly do!

Since you asked, and it is my opinion... then I would say that owners who take (steal) from unsuspecting employees to further enhance their own profitability would certainly fall under the "EXCESSIVELY GREEDY" definition. Neither you, nor anyone else need agree.

Was it illegal or elicit? I didn't say it was, but it certainly wouldn't be a shining example to teach our youth on upholding acceptable standards of moral and ethical values, integrity, transparency, principles of business, etc., to say the least.

However, if it wasn't so wrong, then why did OAI try so hard to hide the matter and refused to reveal what was contained within the DOD contract. Only after pursuing the info under the Freedom of Information Act, did OAI start scrambling to send checks of variable amounts to pilots / employees to account for the pay OAI had been shorting them. So, the "evidence" you seek is there and readily available, if you really care to educate yourself on the matter.

So, how does all this affect current operations... and more importantly, the ongoing negotiations? I feel it serves as a painful reminder to the current pilots (and employees) of how far the owners of OAI will go to take advantage of their own employees and to profit (steal) off the backs of hard working regular joe's... some of who are just getting by paycheck to paycheck. Hopefully, the new pilot contract will completely eliminate any and all opportunities for OAI (and T. Ward) to "re-interpret" contract language in a manner that is different than what is written in black and white.

If you weren't around to witness these events, and the long standing OAI culture and mentality toward pilots (and non-Tulsa employees), then maybe you should ask the guy sitting to your left on your next 18 day rotation... instead of shooting at the messenger.

Dubiousbrother

You seem to be quite fond of over the top exaggerations. some examples:

“you go on the attack to any poster”
“owners who take (steal)”
“to profit (steal) off the backs of hard working regular joe's”


I didn't' attack anyone, but all that aside.

What would your response be to the millions of poor people inside and out of the United States, who view you and I, sitting in business class making in one month many times more than they make in a year. Not living paycheck to paycheck but hand to mouth.

If those people view you and I as Greedy pigs, what is your answer to them?

You see I'm simply pointing out that greed is in many ways a matter of perspective. maybe we all selfishly view our own pursuits and ambitions as noble, but if others achieve a high level of success it's common for jealousy to take hold.

Do you hold people like Bernie, Barrack and Soros with the same contempt for their greediness?

It's tempting to become disgusted at the wealth of others, but as long as it was acquired legally, then so be it. That's my point.