avi8tor614

Hello ladies and gentlemen. I'm trying to keep up with all the companies. I'm going to OBAP next week and trying to move up the ladder so I'll be posting in other forums as well. Omni will be there. I know you are going through negotiations and some labor issues. Can a few of you PM me and let me know some of the positive things. I trying to get on wit a legacy but if I can't get on I need to step up and go sone where else. So please PM me. I'll give my cell number if it's easier to discuss.

Hetman

I was being sarcastic

When people talk about saving the planet, they really mean saving the humans. I rather suspect Mother Earth won't miss us much when we are gone. Let's all stop talking about it before this thread, too, as have so many others before, gets on that stupid hamster wheel.

As for the negotiations, the playbook is tried and true on both sides of the table. It never varies. It's like watching reruns of Law & Order, except the tv show does not make me feel nauseated.

Hetman

There are better places than Omni.

atpcliff

I was looking at the website, the one Omni mgmt put out trying to directly go to the pilots and convince them how great their new offer is. I am posting about what their info said in regarding commuting.

Omni mgmt said they can't afford to DH their pilots in Business Class, because blah, blah, blah. At Atlas, we have Business Class or better, for DH when it is outside the 50 states (ex: DTW-YYZ, FRA-DXB, Puerto Rico-ORD, etc.). I believe that the Kalitta language is Biz Class or better, when any leg is over 5 hours in scheduled block duration.

My last pattern I did 6 Operating Legs, 6 DH Legs, 3 of which were not within the 50 states, so those 3 were in Business Class. We DH a lot, sometimes more DH legs than Operating Legs. Atlas has had no problem recording big profits, even while DH crews all over the place, often in Business Class.

If Omni is trying to claim that DH in Biz Class is too expensive because they are a "small" airline, then they should offer an ever BETTER contract, so they can attract a LOT of new pilots, keep them, and grow.

Good luck to ATI in negotiating. I hope you get a great new contract.

Namaste...

stickwiggler

In an effort to limiting my "chiming in" I have not expressed an opinion on the quality of the latest offering from the Company.

I am glad they did it and that the Union is also increasing information to the pilots.

I believe each pilot can make his/her own determination on if this is "enough".

What I would like to hear, preferably from the Union, without any overly emotional, bombastic language is 2 things:

1. How is the quality of the language in the offer? There offer sounds pretty good, but the devil is in the details.

2. What are the remaining items that are open?

Each day without a contract is costing us $$.
Is it worth it? Maybe, maybe not.

Knowing what is left on the table will help a line pilot decide what the cost-benefit analysis is to holding out for more.

It is difficult to contact our Rep and express an opinion without this information.

FL450

A girlfriend sounds good until your wife finds out or the girlfriend wants to be the wife

FL450

Stick,

Based on your 20 years of union experience and your year and a half at Omni I have a few questions that perhaps you can answer.

What does the "proposed" company offer do to combat pay loss when sitting for 7 days in KWI or OSN. Are there Rigs that you know of or will the SCAL randomly implemented as soon as you land be compensated above guarantee?

They say home basing is not changing but is there a clause that allows outstation basing at company will?

Pay.... Is Flying on your days off not worth 150% hourly guarantee and 200% for involuntary flying on your days off? Current proposal is still straight pay!

Check Airmen have worse schedules than Junior FO's for an additional $35 an hour. Do CKA not deserve 90 hour pay guarantee? You can say they volunteer for the job but so do the "Program" pilots and they receive 80 hours a month and have better schedules than most CKA.

Travel: personally, if you want to pay to keep me out of First that's fine... but PAY crew members something comparable! Can Omni at least agree on economy plus Aisle / Window or better with pay for long DH's?

TDY: Will pilots still be required to check out of their hotels and bag drag for an overnight? 60 days without the ability to keep your hotel room and actually have some type of QOL is miserable!

What does expedited return for emergencies mean? Is that expeditious route from Germany a flight to Greenland, Ireland, Boston, Seattle, LAX, DEN, just to get back to Tulsa?

Schedules: Omni mentioned nothing in their "Golden Proposal" about schedules. They tried to add 2 more days to the FA's (21 days from 19), I'm sure we got offered something similar... 25 days anyone?

Succesorship.....?

Scope....?

Small Aircraft Language.... we may not operate them but as Omni slowly gets into sports charters that could change....

These are just some of my questions Stick since you say it's a good contract. I left out the hard questions as this isn't the place to discuss those. In my humble opinion I say let the negotiators do their job and stop playing into company circumventing.

Fly Safe

Dubiousbrother

Frustrating isn’t it Stick.

You ask benign, legitimate questions and almost immediately you’re asked to cease inquiry.

FL 450 provides what I think are valid points in his post, but then disappointingly discourages your curiosity at the end. (No offense 450)

Now I see on the Kalitta thread there is a movement to decertify the IBT there.

Just as the company lost touch with the average pilot here, I think our union could learn the same lesson.

Greenflash and Extramedium seem to provide respectful points of view, even if we disagree on some fundamental issues. Perhaps one of them can respond to your questions.

HeavyDriver

My knowledge is the mediator asked that details about the pending contract offer not be presented to the pilot group until an agreement between both sides was established. That is what keeps the negotiations effective and productive. Now that bullet point information has been made available, negotiations will hit a few pot holes. The union side needs to step up the game and supply more info to the membership after the next meeting with the mediator. Why after? So it doesn't look like the union is negotiating in bad faith. Which the company did do by giving the pilots the summery of proposal. I know, how is that bad faith? The company is the party that asked in the very beginning of negotiations that all points be kept confidential until and agreement was reached. Now since that didn't work to the company's advantage they leaked what was company acceptable terms. Which for some are and some not, and most it doesn't matter anymore. The Company officials are not stupid and I think a plan has been executed that is beyond the pilot groups control regardless of a contract.

stickwiggler

450,

A piece of advice;

Your communication skills are.... lacking.

I expressed curiosity on what Items are open and you go in to a tirade on how I am content with all of the items that you mentioned.

I expressed no opinion on open items BECAUSE I WASN'T EVEN SURE WHAT THEY WERE!!!!

When people like you employ union thug tactics to attack a reasonable person, constantly regurgitate bumper sticker slogans like "let your NC speak for you" it makes you look.....
desperate.

You would have been way more successful by saying:

"As i understand it, duty rigs, potential out-basing, overtime pay, check airman pay, biz class travel, TDY and scheduled number of off days remain."

Because that was my question.

Putting your false accusations that I was Cheerleading a side, i read your comments on each of those items.

You brought up a few valid points, but were also a bit..... uhmmm, hysterical on others.

Recently, the union put out that:

"the reason we don't share information with the pilots is out of respect for the NC."

Are you F'ing kidding me?

The pilot group is stuck between two groups telling us completely different things.

Honesty and Trust are crucial, now more than ever. When you tell us a b.s. reason like that, it hurts credibility.
The reason you (by you i mean Union NC, MEC & their supporters) don't want to share information is that you fear a majority of the pilots will make the "good enough" descion, reduce solidarity which reduces negotiating leverage.

Again, I'm not advocating if it is or is not good enough; that is an individual decision.

I just can't stand bullies and thugs who try to intimidate people who express a view that doesn't meet your standard.

If you believe fighting for another 12-24 months is worth it, GREAT!

I support your right to make that argument. If the "sign now" crowd attacked you the way you attack people, i would express outrage at them too.

But that's not what is happening.
There is a core group on here (some of which don't even work at Omni) who only are here for one thing,
attack!
Not in an effort to enhance knowledge or understanding, but to silence.

I recently spoke with a P2P.... he told me that his instructions were to be intentionally vague.

When the Union NC puts out info like keeping us in the dark out of "respect" or say that they are meeting in Dallas and invited the company but "they refused to come" and then the other side of the story comes out that the company was told if they were not prepared to meet ALL demands, they might as well not come, it hurts credibility.

You & your ilk CONSTANTLY say "trust your NC".
That is a two way street. They need to trust the pilot group too.

Since I first got on this discussion, all i have ever called for is better communication.
I've advocated no position, I've attempted to shout no one down.

And, while I can just hear the snide tone in your writing when you mention my experience, it is exactly that experience that was the Genesis of my call for better comms.
Contract negotiations always start easy; Prisoner of war language is pretty easy stuff. They always get tough when it gets to the $ part.

Having good communications, trusting your pilot group doesn't hurt unity; it inspires it.