pitchtrim

It's all common knowledge. Perhaps stop asking me questions.

JohnBurke

Some is. Some seems to be news to you. It may be better to keep one's trap shut and appear the fool, rather than open it, and remove all doubt.

You've left little doubt.

Discretion is the better part of valor. Show some valor.

pitchtrim

What's it like up there on that high horse? Or should I say on ones high horse.

You guys are awfully emotional about your union brethren. Heaven forbid anyone give any criticism. At least I want some major gains in the contract, which isn't half bad for someone who's been accused of being a FH/management troll.

JohnBurke

I said nothing of a union. YOU did.

I'm not emotional in the least. You have a comprehension problem.

You whine that you're unable to give criticism, then tell others not to ask you anything, or respond to you.

Simple things others know and understand well, and yet you do not, but purport to have been around for a while.

It would appear, you've removed all doubt. Well done.

pitchtrim

Burke- Cuj asked me a question, and then when I answered told me to shut it. It's a bit silly to ask a person a question and when they respond tell them to zip it. Just don't ask the question if you don't want me responding. Then you jump back in to be condescending. A lot of insults thrown my direction because I've obviously struck a nerve. It's ok, you guys do your thing and I'll take my ball and go home.

JohnBurke

Starved for attention, or you just can't help but snapping at the bait? Whatever it is, it's you.

When you say, "you guys" you're assuming a lot, not the least of which is whether anyone responding to you has a dog in the hunt, or any relation to you or that which surrounds you. One ought not assume.

Is "you guys" anything like "you people?"

I'll ask a question, seeing that you're in the answering mood, and starved for attention. You seem to assert that your union doesn't speak for you, and that you have no faith in the union. The union won't want what you wish to achieve (though you haven't said what you hope to get).

Your current contract came as the result of a union negotiation, yes? (say yes: it's rhetorical) Your current contract, at the date of signing, included industry-leading elements that came as the result of union negotiation, yes? (rhetorical: just nod. We haven't reached your question, yet. I'm telling you this, because you have a comprehension problem, Be patient).

You're part of a collective bargaining agreement, which, under the railway labor act, means that you are represented by one organization, and that you may not negotiate your own contract with your employer, correct? (keep nodding) Whether you have faith in your collective bargaining unit, you benefit from their representation, but you really don't believe that the union will benefit you? (here's where you can start to respond, because this is on you).

If you don't have any control in the matter (other than voting for or against any tentative agreements reached), are you better off supporting, or fighting against those legally designated to represent your interests? If you are under a collective bargaining agreement, do you adhere to it? Do you benefit from it? Do you think it's best to have your discussion in a public forum? Where do you usually fly your dirty laundry (other than here)?

Have you thrown your name in the ring to be the next volunteer, the next leader, the next negotiator, or are you content to do nothing but sit in the peanut gallery and lack faith? If you don't support, and don't have faith, then what do you have?

You're aware that faith is a verb, right? Go ahead and answer that one. It's not rhetorical.

Pbrstreetgang

Didn’t John Burke quit Omni? He made quite the impression too.

shinydiscoballs

Realistically what would be 1st and 2nd year FO pay? 777 vs 767? Most popular/often layovers?

terks43

1st year would be around $107,000 with per diem just looking at my averages. But you have the training pay before that. So assuming 2 months in training and 10 months on the line 97,000 plus a bit for per diem during training. Year two $113,000 and year 3 in jumps to $129,000. This assumes roughly 9k in per diem per year which is what I’m tracking towards. All that is pre tax. Most often overnights are DFW SEA BWI in that order from what I can see. There is also two Japanese bases that people will spend a week at a time at, one is okay the other not so much. Other than that you may spend extra days at home on duty especially at the end of a stretch of duty days. If you live in DFW or SEA you can end up with quite a few days at home on call.

Pay is essentially the same between the fleets. 777 guys get used (work days not necessarily hours) more. 767 has better schedules. 777 deadheads more chasing aircraft if that’s your thing. Bidding doesn’t really mean all that much here as some days can be moved around somewhat easily (D.J. Is awesome). Oh and outside of Christmas you can have pretty much any week of vacation you like as most guys cash out their vacation here. So if you have children that’s really nice.

4runner

Does John Burke still work at Omni? I thought he left for greener pastures after making such an impression at Omni.