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01-10-2022, 05:37 AM

#3411

EIR10

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Originally Posted by Pilot4000

Business or better is only on international legs longer than 3.5 hours right? So you could be in coach on a transcon?

Greater than 3 hours or any segment where the duty day exceeds 16 hours.

01-10-2022, 06:20 AM

#3412

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Originally Posted by EIR10

Greater than 3 hours or any segment where the duty day exceeds 16 hours.

I think it doesn't apply to CONUS (Domestic, lower 48) though, correct....?

but a DH from Honolulu or Alaska to DFW would be bumped up from coach..... as it's not the 48 contiguous in CONUS.

01-10-2022, 06:39 AM

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Check Appendix B in the CBA, DH to those areas are coach not business, includes HI and AK

01-10-2022, 09:19 AM

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Pilot4000

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So how often are you guys actually in coach, in the real world?

01-10-2022, 09:36 AM

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ChemTrail

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It depends……..
Once you have a higher level of status on the airlines then upgrades are common. I was in economy on domestic flights 3 times last year but still in an exit row seat.
International travel is business class unless you opt for a payout and accept an economy ticket.

01-10-2022, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChemTrail

Check Appendix B in the CBA, DH to those areas are coach not business, includes HI and AK

Youre correct. Appendix B adds quite a few foreign countries including Hawaii and Alaska to the list.

01-10-2022, 03:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChemTrail

Check Appendix B in the CBA, DH to those areas are coach not business, includes HI and AK

There are a lot of places outside of CONUS listed in Appendix B where the company is NOT required to provide Business Class travel. If you are a pilot here and are not familiar with that section of the CBA, you should read it.

01-11-2022, 11:47 AM

#3418

RezRunner

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Not sure if I've been lucky or what. Every time I commercial to or back from HNL or ANC I get first or business.

01-11-2022, 05:14 PM

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Technically they could DH you on the JFK-
HNL flight in coach which is a 10 hour flight. But BOS-SNN has to be in J which can be under 5 hours sometimes. Then there’s the Omni class deadheads.

01-12-2022, 06:30 AM

#3420

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Originally Posted by saxman66

Technically they could DH you on the JFK-
HNL flight in coach which is a 10 hour flight. But BOS-SNN has to be in J which can be under 5 hours sometimes. Then there’s the Omni class deadheads.

Yep, it needs fine tuning for sure..... guess it's good we're in negotiations.....