blackbox

I'm not sure how true this is, in the past 6 months there have been 5 Commute Air guys to be hired. 2 of which just got hired and haven't even started class yet.

HercDriver130

Do you want some cheese with that WHINE. Companies can, will and do constantly change the demographic at which they hire. Hell there was a time not to many years ago that if you were not a former MIL guy your chances of getting hired at DAL were very small. Airlines have always had preferences, some stated...some not when hiring. Nobody said life ( or Aviation) was fair.

740i

Entitlement rears it's ugly head.

Companies are free to set minimums as they choose.

For a long time jetBlue required PIC turbine in airplanes over 20k MGTOW. Eliminating Jetstream/1900/Metro captains from the fray.

AirTran required 500PIC Part 121. 135/91 PIC did not count.

Some airlines require college, some do not.

The fact is that hiring demographics can and will change. You seem lucky to have gotten on with what I assume is PDT at 310TT (Judging by your times above) which by any account is extremely low time. 7 years ago you wouldn't have even gotten a sniff from most regionals at that level of experience.

That doesn't make a company arrogant, they just know what kind of experience they can attract.

Airlines don't lower minimums because they want to, it's because they have to.

Hetman

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yancharlie

Yes life is not fair, but i believe anyone deserve a shot at proving themself. That's why companies establish trainings, so those without an experience in the specific airplane can prove themselves and get the job done. If you were born having every single plane type ratings on your license and flew them all, then that is fantastic for you. But some peoples have to come from small planes and build their way up, but with discriminating what kind of plane you fly, is just not acceptable in this society standards. If DAL believes MIL is better than Civilian, then that is just as idiotic as me saying: "I fly the A380 so i'm better pilot than you flying the Herc". What kind of plane you fly does not define your airmen abilities.

yancharlie

I think you missing the point, it is not about Entitlement!!!! It's about being given an Opportunity. Just like i was given an opportunity early on in my career, i was able to show i can succeed. Just like for many years the rest of the world have hired low time pilots in their respective countries, they showed with proper training they can succeed flying Big jets. So does it make the low time pilot that started to fly the big jet early on in his career better than a Tprop guy!!!! No, he was just given a good opportunity at the time, and made the most of it.

HercDriver130

Societal standards have nothing to do with it. Christ man, a company can set whatever minimums they want to set. Fact of the matter is that for many years MOST major airlines in this country preferred to hire former MIL guys... fair... NO.. reality yes. The reality is that right now companies can pick and choose who they interview and hire and who they do not. Its all a matter of supply and demand. There is currently a huge supply of pilots with BIG airplane experience for operators such as Omni, Atlas, etc to choose from and they choose generally to hire from that demographic. Three years from now it might be totally different if and when the Legacy carriers start retiring pilots at a decent clip. You are right, what you fly does not define your abilities, but it does provide a proven track record, and who can blame a company for hiring from a pool of pilots proven to have flown large aircraft. Training is expensive. Fair...perhaps not. Reality,,,,yes. I personally have been victim of the "not having the right type rating" issue. It is what it is. It is still a free society and companies are free to hire whom they want to hire.

740i

en·ti·tle·ment noun \-ˈtī-təl-mənt\

Definition of ENTITLEMENT

3: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges

Put your statements together. Now you're saying companies are arrogant for not wanting to take a chance on you?

If that's not entitlement, I don't know what is.

yancharlie

Herc, i do agree with some things you say. But understand just because a company can say "No more Turboprop driver" does not equall being right. And i believe any pilot that has a heart knows it's just flat out wrong!!!!
Just because someone has the experience in the airplane or some specific jets they're looking for does not guarantee passing training, it surely does give him an advantage. But some guys still fail recurrent training on aircraft they have been flying for years, and it does cost the company extra money to work with him and get him current. But at the end of the day, it's just a lack of pilot unity that allows the company to dictate some of those hiring practices. Because if a pilot says to another pilot the plane you fly is not good enough, then that is crazy. I think when you look for the potential candidate, it should be about "let me see if i can fly with this guy for two weeks, or a month or a day without wanting to kill him at the end, and then his experiences. Not just denying someone resume right of the back without even giving someone a chance.

yancharlie

Goodness, are you with management. You surely sounds like one that nobody likes. Mr 740i, you need to have the ability to look at all prospectives. If i take away all your type ratings and your multiple hours flying jets around and send you out in the field to go get a job so someone can say "your Tprop time doesn't count" how would you feel. Remember that just because you feel like you comfortable with the job you have now, does not mean your company can't go belly up in the next ten years, and you could be seeking employment at a place where i can be the guy that can help you land an interview. Now do you think if i know who you are, with your heartless mentality, do you think i will help you out? Remember strange things have happened in aviation, quit drinking before you post.