hercretired

I thought Omni used the Avenger sims in Dallas (Irving). Not sure.

Reactivity

That sounds familiar. It was something along the lines of Omni putting a bunch of money into Avenger for some sort of benefit. Omni had some dedicated office or classroom space there as well.

hercretired

they have used Avenger since ??? 2021

Brightpilot253

Omni uses Avenger in Dallas for new hire/upgrade training and Wilmington/Miami for reccurent

Cujo665

I wouldn't send my worst enemy to envoy. They have unlimited airport standby / ready reserve, they junior man pilots like crazy, and their management is not employee friendly. The recruiters talk a great talk but it's all bull.

the only way I'd ever recommend envoy is if you live within callout drive time to DFW or ORD. Every other base they've opened or closed without warning. Living n base at a regional makes it almost an entirely different job. Never ever commute for envoy.

that said, it varies if you're talking new hire FO with zero 121 experience or a DEC. the DEC contracts aren't bad at all. The FO ones vary. You'd be surprised though, most of the better regionals have some type of contract now, even if it's only a 1-2 year training payback.

Cujo665

I'd take the job while continuing to look.

Cujo665

To follow-up on this, 2 senior APD's left Omni and are instructors now at envoy. They have not recomended to a single person to leave and go there from Omni. Not even as a direct entry Captain for our FO's.

If you can live in base, and not commute, a regional isn't that bad at all. Looking at the AA pairings vs the Republic and Envoy pairings they aren't that different. Some of the mainline flights are longer legs, but they still do 3-4 leg days with sits. The longer legs are 1 or 2 and done, but the rest look pretty much like a regional schedule these days. All that changes is the pay/retirement, some better work rules, some worse work rules, and better non-rev priority on your own AA/AE branded flights. If you are younger, gettng to the mainline is a no brainer. If your older, a Direct Entry Captain job if you live in base is actually a really good gig. I know for a fact that at least one regional has been putting out 200% days about 1/2 of each week. That's over $430 an hour for a senior RJ CA. It's tempting, especially with the temporary mainline hiring slowdowns.

4dalulz

These the same two who were used as examples on the forum of "people leaving for greener pastures" to make over 450k a year?

Cujo665

possibly. I don't recall the post. One of the 2 went to Breeze first, then went to envoy when the other guy confirmed what he was being paid. I do know they were hired top step, and are on instructor 95 or 99 hour guarantee (I can't remember if it's 95 or 99) and the critical coverage pay doubles their hourly rate....so those guys are probably pulling close to that. The problem I see is it won't last. Once they can hire and upgrade enough the critical coverage pay goes away and you lose up to 1/2 your pay. Then when they think they don't have a shortage anymore envoy will let the raises sunset and it snaps back to the lower rates.... boom, there goes another $100k.

yep, senior APD's leaving to go to envoy.... what's that say about Omni?

JohnBurke

Except...that's not why the left, is it?