Fedex999999

Flying disputed pairing is hostile to ME. It offends ME. Why don't they care about that??

TonyC

I've taken the time to look at every pairing, and every schedule (Calendar if viewable, Bid Award and Block Display if not) and can confirm that a few of the Pairings have been flown by guys on reserve. Be careful, though, that the guy is actually on Reserve for the day that the Disputed Pairing is flown. I've seen where a guy with a Reserve line has picked up a Disputed Pairing in addition to the Reserve Line.


Looking specifically at the first five 727 Disputed Pairings, the seats were filled by Reserve pilots on the following:

403/27FEB - All three seats
403/28FEB - Captain and Second Officer
403/01MAR - Captain and Second Officer
405/05MAR - NONE -- special note here: The First Officer shown on the table managed to drop the drip, and it was quickly picked up by another First Officer.
403/06MAR - NONE (Captain has Calendar "hidden" -- he was awarded Line 157 which has the days of this Disputed Pairing scheduled OFF. The same holds true for 403/08MAR, 401/14MAR, 401/20MAR, and 401/28MAR. I wonder why he hides his schedule. First Officer is also on 403/08MAR, 401/20MAR, and 401/22MAR.


That's 7 out of 15 seats filled by Reserves.

At this point, you can tell which of the remaining seats are filled by "Non-Reserves" -- if they're assigned now, they're not reserve. Of 45 seats to be filled in the Boeing, all but 6 are filled. 2 of the open seats are Captains, and 4 are Second Officers.


An important point to remember here is that we're concerned about any pilot that has to fly these pairings, regardless of their status. The human body is affected the same way by onerous pairings even if the pilot is on Reserve. It's important for any pilot that flies the pairing to fill out the sleep log, provide feedback on the Pairing to the SIG via the Pairing feedback form on the ALPA website, and to complete a Flight Safety Report if safety is compromised.


What do you mean by "went"? They were not assigned -- they were (with the above noted exceptions) picked up, voluntarily, by the pilots.


The Union should definitely be concerned about confrontations in the workplace. So far as I know, none has occurred. I don't know of any face-to-face contact whatsoever. The "gather at the folder and applaud" strategy discussed earlier in the thread was discouraged for that very reason. It's not about confrontation; it's all about education and awareness.





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Sluggo_63

Last week I flew with one of the first officers who had picked up a disputed pairing next week. He's new and was trying to consolidate. He had no idea about the disputed pairings... he was never told. I instructed him about the importance of not picking these up, and printed out the SIG letter for him to read. I truly believe that there needs to be more education on this from the ALPA guys when they meet with the new hires.

Lindy

Thank you for looking. I was just concerned about the "innocent" and didn't want a negative reputation to proceed individuals.

As for "went" I do stand corrected. Hub turning repeatedly begins to eradicate any grasp of the English language....

I am all for education and am telling all the new hires I have flown with about disputed pairings, most of which are uninformed.

Open Mind

Redeye, There's no required level of support. If I retire a member in good standing that's good enough!!! The lanyard is just the lastest gimmick. We can debate the value of info picketing forever...but it doesn't require a hat and no, you didn't see me or the majority of the crew force. Flying a disputed pairing, selling vacation, flying draft/vlt, bidding carryover are all choices that are continually preached against on these boards...that's fine but these are actions condoned by the newly ratified contract which passed by a landslide. Your personal choices don't have to be mine. That you support fellow pilots and Back the PAC, I commend you.

RedeyeAV8r

All these things were allowed under the previous contract too. Whats your point?

The no selling back vacation and not flying DFT/VOL was taboo during negotiations. I don't see anyone telling you not to do that now.
If you want to sell your vacation, Fly DFT/VLT go right ahead. Be my guest.

Voluntarily Flying a disputed pairing (not from a reserve assignment) is working against your SIG. That is what makes it different. The SIG is almost in negotiations with the company each and every month. They attempt to stop severe optimizing trends the company puts forth each month.
They are the finger in the Dyke so to speak. If they ask you not to fly a disputed pairing and you do...........What are you? Do you really consider yourself supporting your Union?... That kind of support your Union really doesn't need. If you think paying your dues is supporting the Union you are mistaken. With the new agency shop clause, all new non-memebers must pay dues too. Do you think they are supporting the Union too?

BTW when you account almost 1/3 the pilot group working or commuting to/from work on a given day, the majority of available pilots were there picketing both days. Sorry you didn't feel the need to join us. I even had an extra Hat for you.

MD11Fr8Dog

I don't think they were trying to squash the "movement" any more than they were just covering their bases (read @$$e$). They are just going on record as saying that ALPA doesn't condone it. No word to stop it!

MD11Fr8Dog

Yea, when I used to originally do this a couple years ago, I had columns for what line they got and color coded the trip assinments (red=obvious they requested it, green=obvious got it on reserve and yellow=not sure due funky VTO, closed calendar, etc.

I've been busy as can be this week receiving household goods to complete our move back east, buying momma a new pickup and a tractor, catching up on honey dos on the farm, and helping my bro move into his new house this weekend! I start 19 days of reserve on Tue (not sweating getting a disputed pairing )) and I assume I'll have time to make some additions. In any case, its pretty easy to see who did what, and the spreadsheet doesn't list names, so you gotta click the inks and log in to see what's what anyway!

I'll get to it!

MaxKts

Can we say - member in name only -

Open Mind, why don't you just quit the union an pay agency shop dues? You would probably sleep better. Oh I forget - If you did that then all the other benifits of union membership would not be available to you.!

Gunter

All I hear is its all about me. Did you go thru the first year upset you were only paid 2,000/month in training and half of FO pay as an SO? Sounds like it. You probably felt cheated by the union and now you're going to get some of that back. "Forget them, I'm getting what's mine!"

Doesn't sound like an open mind to me. Sounds like someone who doesn't appreciate the benefits of the union, warts and all.

BTW, I don't like/wear the lanyard either and it's not required, now that negotiations are over. If they improved the design I would wear it all the time.