Gunter

But you have. By claiming YOU are the only one with the open mind or thinking for himself you lecture and claim a superior point of view. That's o.k.


Those supporting the SIG are weighing the benefits to the group of flying a disputed pair vs. not flying it. We aren't shivering in fear from the possible wrath of those who may "catch us" flying a disputed pairing. You can talk yourself into thinking they are mostly safe by "only flying one" then scheduling a day or two off to recover. Or you may just want the deviation bank with similar time off. For the others who want to put a few trips together to have a "normal" line, they beat the buggers out of you.



YOU are willing to let that happen to others who are junior or on reserve so you can take care of yourself first. No esoteric ponderings on free will vs. neanderthal style group think actually apply. PERIOD.

fedupbusdriver

Here is another idea of how to handle DPs. We could make it where DPs can ONLY be flown by pilots on m/u, vlt or dft. Make the greedy pilots who choose to fly them have to declare by a three month special bid that they are DIPUTED PAIRING PILOTS, and require them to pick up a predetermined number of DP's each month in excess of their bid line. If they do not pick up their extra each month, then the trips will be assigned to them on their off days like a custom line at straight time. We could even get with the uniform committee to issue them those ORANGE ties to wear. If they bid the special bid, then they are guaranteed X amount of extra flying each month, but are only allowed to fly DP's outside of their bid line.

Check 6

OP "All you have to do is display a different opinion and you have latent sexual frustration. Question/ challenge the accepted and you can't possibly have an open mind. Many pilots read these forums and Its necessary for especially the junior members to see that there isn't just one mindset. There are many ways to see any issue......Think for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so too!!! "

Yep, OP there are many opinions out there...

But what you are sorely missing is the difference between right and wrong....

Picking up DP's for YOUR short term benifit to the detriment of the entire crew force in the long run is WRONG!

If you really don't get that we had a term for people like you...Juan way or Budy F#$%^^&%.

That is not an opinion but a fact...

TonyC

Capt RO, Non-Member, EAL Scab, was awarded MEM MD-11 Secondary Line 4031, which included Disputed Pairing 47 on the 28th of February. His line included Pairings 724/20Mar07, 437/25Mar07, and 586/1Apr07, for a total of 93:31 Block Hours, a Bid Line Guarantee of 95:48 Credit Hours, and 29:52 of Carryover. He was scheduled to be ON duty 19 days, and OFF duty 16 days.


That wasn't enough for him, though.


He dropped 724/20Mar07 so he could pick up another Disputed Pairing, 3088/15Mar07, and he also added Trips 822/23Mar07 and 822/30Mar07, to bring his totals up to 118:49 Block Hours, BLG of 130:34 Credit Hours, and 29:52 of Carryover. He now works ON 26 days, and OFF Duty 9 days.


March Calendar


That's 73:11 Block and 94:59 Credit Hours of Disputed Pairings.



UN-believable











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fedupbusdriver

I guess that would qualify him to be the Chief Pilot of the DISPUTED PAIRING PILOTS!

TonyC

Information Packets were assembled and left in Trip Folders for 727 Pairing 403/27Feb07 (All Reserves) and A300 Pairing 293/27Feb07 (F/O on Reserve, Capt not). Additionally, Information Packets were left in Lockers for Disputed Pairing that began with a Deadhead, 727 Pairing 405/26Feb07 (F/O and S/O not on RSV) and the related, revised Pairing 597/26Feb07 (D/H airline was changed, assigned to Capt in Substitution -- did he know that 597 was really 405 in disguise, or was he fooled?)


Tonight, packets will go out for 727 Pairing 403/28Feb07 (Capt and S/O on RSV, F/O not) and A300 Pairing 293/28Feb07 (Capt same as last night, NOT on RSV, New F/O not on RSV). Tomorrow afternoon packets will go out for the ATROCIOUS Captain mentioned in the above post, MEM MD11 Pairing 47/28Feb07 (Capt and F/O not on RSV).

(If you're interested in seeing what the guy looks like, the first leg is FDX 23 (MEM-ANC) and it shows at 1224 Local.)




Extra Information Packets can be found in front of the ALPA Information board in the crew locker room. Feel free to give them to your friends who might benefit from a fresh reading of the material. Make copies if you wish -- if you get to the last copy, please make more. We need to remind pilots that fly these pairings, in whatever status, that they need to keep good records of the pairing, and submit feedback to the SIG via the SIG Trip / Pairing Feedback Form. This is for OUR collective benefit. If we want our SIG to have teeth, we've got to stop pulling them.







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MD11Fr8Dog

THINK how YOU want, but ACTIONS that UNDERMINE the EFFORTS of OTHERS are the problem! Was it Voltaire that said "I got mine!", Ooops, no. That was said by those like you, with their actions!

RedeyeAV8r

It has been a very long time since AM out/backs were scheduled more than 3 in a row.

PM out/backs 4 to 5 in a row is fine, but not AM out/backs.

TipTip35

Hi all...

I hope no one already asked this (I didnt see it as a scanned the 100+ messages) but can someone take a minute and explain to an outsider exactly what a disputed pairing is and how it comes about? I kinda get that its a crappy trip/leg but how do they come about? Are they simply legs that no one bidded? Also who determines what is a "bad" leg. Shouldnt the company be able to tell what is going to be a disputed pairing ahead of time. Finally, why cant they just make someone fly the trip...say a guy on reserve or something. (that's probably the military "fly what we tell you to fly" in me )

kwri10s

The problem with the Pin only visual representation is that if you are not in uniform then you look just like every other non-member. No lanyard means it is difficult to tell from the side, back, etc if you are a member or not. It is easier to err on the side of caution and assume you are a non-member.