Wingnutt

One would think that UPSCO would want to allow pilot candidates to continue to update...after all, qualifications such as upgrades / flight time / types etc. are consistently changing or acquired. Sure seems like a shame to shut the door for a year…I am hoping someone at or near the top is looking hard at changing this policy.

SaltyDog

When I asked about that yesterday, he seemd to pause, and stated it was true, would be nice to get some updates, but that the person was qaulified or they would not even be allowed to apply online. I mentioned that everyone in the industry took updates to let the potential employer know the latest to help them select the best applicants. Realize, this is a corporate program forced on the Pilot HR department and I doubt they were even asked for input. Overall, they seem to like that the pool of applicants has been slimmed down considerably. (i.e. if you don't yet meet the hiring mins, you cannot apply, so they feel they have saved time in the HR department filtering that out manually)

Tigerpilot1995

Missed the call from UPS yesterday....DAMN!!!

Don Q

You have to remember that the people at HR are not, repear ARE NOT pilots. I talked to someone in HR about the issue regarding international time (in a fighter / combat) and I was told they are looking for heavy international time. The only thing that came to my mind was the heavy bombs I was carrying all over the middle east, SW Asia area. I think the comment was something like, "we are looking for heavy experience, carrying something/cargo on a big airplane".
Is kind of funny how someone that doesn't really know much about flying makes the decision on who gets the interview. BTW I know there are a lot of very competitive candidates out there, it's just that this process is all FUBAR.

Any suggestions?

FWIW,
Cheers...

L'il J.Seinfeld

First off you won't get any argument from me about how the process is FUBAR. I think it is better than having to pay to apply though.

But what is wrong with UPS going after guys with heavy, international experience? As a tanker pilot, I've dragged you guys around the world literally. Your international experience is mainly limited to cycling across the boom. Flying the exact same flight plan from Al Udeid to Iraq is not really intl experience. It's really no different than if it was being done over Texas. How many approaches to mins have you done in Asia, Europe or anywhere? How many times have you gone from meters to feet and QFH/QFE etc. on the same approach? It's not the hardest thing in the world and I am sure you could do it but the fact remains you lack that experience. So don't blame the HR folks because you are not getting the call. It sucked being in the USAF with it being run by fighter pilots that knew little about Strat Air or Air Refueling. It's ironic you are having the same type of complaint now.

I expect a lot of arrows will be coming my way. Let me make one final point. At UPS the MD-11 and 747-400s at ANC will be going very junior. There will likely be 3d or 4th year captains up there soon. Some of these guys, like me, will be coming off of the 727/DC-8 domestic reserve and will have only a few hundred hours of flight time at UPS. It could be disasterous if you took a new capt paired with a newhire who came from fighters and sent them around the world together.

FWIW, we are hiring a lot of guys without heavy, intl experience. But we are targeting the Atlas, Gemini, USAF heavy type experience and I don't see anything wrong with it. You chose fighters not heavies so why complain about it now?

767pilot

OUCH!!!!!!

Hornetguy

"It could be disasterous if you took a new capt paired with a newhire who came from fighters and sent them around the world together."

Yeah, but that would be one hell of a road show!

SC-7

^^ See, now that's funny. And I was a fighter guy.

Slice

I understand the logic somewhat but is it really worse than a new hire on the panel for a few years that goes to that widebody slot? At least the other guy would be coming in current in flying something.

Razor

Well at least you know they called and are interested. I'm guessing they left a number for you to call them? Congrats.