Age 60 ARC Report to the Administrator
01-25-2007, 06:34 AM
#21
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You over 60 advocates don't realize you're threatening everyones B Fund if this goes through?
But let's fight the good fight - it's all about discrimination. The heck with one's retirement fund, "screw you" I got mine.
But let's fight the good fight - it's all about discrimination. The heck with one's retirement fund, "screw you" I got mine.
01-25-2007, 07:24 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by MaxKts View Post
Hey if flying past age 60 has nothing to do with medical issues, why are they only going to 65? I think if you can pass a physical you should be able to fly until you die!!"
"We have a winner here!! The next goal."
Flying until you die may be your goal George but why force it on the rest of us? Some of us have lives outside of the cockpit that we enjoy and want to spend a long time enjoying after we retire at 60. I have been told that our R&I Committee have studies that show if you retire at 55 you average life expectancy is 82. If you fly until 60 it is lowered to 68. So you trade 5 years of extra flying for 14 years of your life. Something tells me flying the schedules we do until 65 wouldn't put those numbers in a positive direction. If you hate your life away from airplanes so much you would trade years of it to stay a little longer then that is sad, but it is also your problem. Don't try and force the rest of us to sacrifice years off our lives for you. We like our lives with your families and they want us to stay around as long as possible. Isn't there anyone out there that wants the same for you, even if you don't?
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Originally Posted by MaxKts View Post
Hey if flying past age 60 has nothing to do with medical issues, why are they only going to 65? I think if you can pass a physical you should be able to fly until you die!!"
"We have a winner here!! The next goal."
Flying until you die may be your goal George but why force it on the rest of us? Some of us have lives outside of the cockpit that we enjoy and want to spend a long time enjoying after we retire at 60. I have been told that our R&I Committee have studies that show if you retire at 55 you average life expectancy is 82. If you fly until 60 it is lowered to 68. So you trade 5 years of extra flying for 14 years of your life. Something tells me flying the schedules we do until 65 wouldn't put those numbers in a positive direction. If you hate your life away from airplanes so much you would trade years of it to stay a little longer then that is sad, but it is also your problem. Don't try and force the rest of us to sacrifice years off our lives for you. We like our lives with your families and they want us to stay around as long as possible. Isn't there anyone out there that wants the same for you, even if you don't?
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01-25-2007, 07:34 AM
#24
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"So your only opposed because of the tax implications?
LAG"
My answer is no. That is just one of the reasons. Safety is another and the selfishness displayed by this group of whiners is another. You know, when you consider every pilot that has ever flown under this rule, and look at the number of pilots what will benefit from a change now by getting an extra 5 years in the left seat, we have to be talking about less than 5% of total pilots getting a good deal at the other 95%'s expense. Guys like George who gained 5 years seniority and moved to the left seat 5 years faster because of this rule now want the rest of us to stagnate for 5 more years, lose our "B" fund, and be forced to fly until we die so he can have 5 extra years as a WB Capt. All in all there are a lot of reasons to be against Age 60 changing, the tax implications that will cost us all so George and his selfish buds can keep flying is just one of them.
LAG"
My answer is no. That is just one of the reasons. Safety is another and the selfishness displayed by this group of whiners is another. You know, when you consider every pilot that has ever flown under this rule, and look at the number of pilots what will benefit from a change now by getting an extra 5 years in the left seat, we have to be talking about less than 5% of total pilots getting a good deal at the other 95%'s expense. Guys like George who gained 5 years seniority and moved to the left seat 5 years faster because of this rule now want the rest of us to stagnate for 5 more years, lose our "B" fund, and be forced to fly until we die so he can have 5 extra years as a WB Capt. All in all there are a lot of reasons to be against Age 60 changing, the tax implications that will cost us all so George and his selfish buds can keep flying is just one of them.
01-25-2007, 07:54 AM
#25
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So we have taxes, safety, and whining.
Taxes are your strongest argument, but I have more serious tax concerns than AGE 60 implications. To parphrase Rush; enjoy it now because we will never be taxed less than we are right now. Thanks in a very small part to ALPA PAC.
Safety; still waiting for proof or your calls to lower the age to 55 because that would be way safer dude.
Whining; if I had to compare the whining meter I would say the whine generation is definitely under 60.
Lag
Taxes are your strongest argument, but I have more serious tax concerns than AGE 60 implications. To parphrase Rush; enjoy it now because we will never be taxed less than we are right now. Thanks in a very small part to ALPA PAC.
Safety; still waiting for proof or your calls to lower the age to 55 because that would be way safer dude.
Whining; if I had to compare the whining meter I would say the whine generation is definitely under 60.
Lag
01-25-2007, 08:35 AM
#26
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"So your only opposed because of the tax implications?
LAG"
My answer is no. That is just one of the reasons. Safety is another and the selfishness displayed by this group of whiners is another. You know, when you consider every pilot that has ever flown under this rule, and look at the number of pilots what will benefit from a change now by getting an extra 5 years in the left seat, we have to be talking about less than 5% of total pilots getting a good deal at the other 95%'s expense. Guys like George who gained 5 years seniority and moved to the left seat 5 years faster because of this rule now want the rest of us to stagnate for 5 more years, lose our "B" fund, and be forced to fly until we die so he can have 5 extra years as a WB Capt. All in all there are a lot of reasons to be against Age 60 changing, the tax implications that will cost us all so George and his selfish buds can keep flying is just one of them.
LAG"
My answer is no. That is just one of the reasons. Safety is another and the selfishness displayed by this group of whiners is another. You know, when you consider every pilot that has ever flown under this rule, and look at the number of pilots what will benefit from a change now by getting an extra 5 years in the left seat, we have to be talking about less than 5% of total pilots getting a good deal at the other 95%'s expense. Guys like George who gained 5 years seniority and moved to the left seat 5 years faster because of this rule now want the rest of us to stagnate for 5 more years, lose our "B" fund, and be forced to fly until we die so he can have 5 extra years as a WB Capt. All in all there are a lot of reasons to be against Age 60 changing, the tax implications that will cost us all so George and his selfish buds can keep flying is just one of them.
I thought so!!!!!!!
01-25-2007, 09:22 AM
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"I can only seek for George. George spent 8+ years on furlough. Dawg, how many furlough years do you have? George upgraded to Captain the first time he could hold it, B727, 16 years from DOH. Dawg, how many years from DOH did you wait for your upgrade?
I thought so!!!!!!! "
Just think George, if Age 60 hadn't been there it would have been 13+ years on furlough and 21 years from your DOH to Captain upgrade for you. Let's change it now though and put those on furlough for the extra 5 years you didn't have to be there and delay their upgrade for 5 years more than you had to wait. Dude, no one said timing doesn't matter. Yours appears to be not as good as others. So now we should all pay the price for that? You knew you had to retire at Age 60 when you took the job so stop complaining.
I thought so!!!!!!! "
Just think George, if Age 60 hadn't been there it would have been 13+ years on furlough and 21 years from your DOH to Captain upgrade for you. Let's change it now though and put those on furlough for the extra 5 years you didn't have to be there and delay their upgrade for 5 years more than you had to wait. Dude, no one said timing doesn't matter. Yours appears to be not as good as others. So now we should all pay the price for that? You knew you had to retire at Age 60 when you took the job so stop complaining.
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01-25-2007, 09:44 AM
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"Safety; still waiting for proof or your calls to lower the age to 55 because that would be way safer dude."
Get me fully vested at 55 and I will be gone. In fact, I hope to be retired then anyway because as much as I love flying, I love my life and health even more.
"Whining; if I had to compare the whining meter I would say the whine generation is definitely under 60."
It never ceases to amaze me that the group of people who want things to stay the same are considered whiners (or worse if you listen to George). Newsflash for you LAG, we are not spending our last years before retirement crying like spoiled children for a rule change we all benefited from. We are just asking things stay the same so one group does not get special treatment at our expense. So tell me again who the whiners are?
Get me fully vested at 55 and I will be gone. In fact, I hope to be retired then anyway because as much as I love flying, I love my life and health even more.
"Whining; if I had to compare the whining meter I would say the whine generation is definitely under 60."
It never ceases to amaze me that the group of people who want things to stay the same are considered whiners (or worse if you listen to George). Newsflash for you LAG, we are not spending our last years before retirement crying like spoiled children for a rule change we all benefited from. We are just asking things stay the same so one group does not get special treatment at our expense. So tell me again who the whiners are?
01-25-2007, 10:11 AM
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"Get me fully vested at 55 and I will be gone. In fact, I hope to be retired then anyway because as much as I love flying, I love my life and health even more. "
Sounds like the guys at USAir, give me my retirement and I'll get out by 60.
It never ceases to amaze me that the group of people who want things to stay the same are considered whiners (or worse if you listen to George). Newsflash for you LAG, we are not spending our last years before retirement crying like spoiled children for a rule change we all benefited from. We are just asking things stay the same so one group does not get special treatment at our expense. So tell me again who the whiners are?
News flash for you dog, whining is whining. Your greedy, no you are, I know you are but what am I. Both sides are guilty of whining, In my opinion your side is the screechiest.
Lag
Sounds like the guys at USAir, give me my retirement and I'll get out by 60.
It never ceases to amaze me that the group of people who want things to stay the same are considered whiners (or worse if you listen to George). Newsflash for you LAG, we are not spending our last years before retirement crying like spoiled children for a rule change we all benefited from. We are just asking things stay the same so one group does not get special treatment at our expense. So tell me again who the whiners are?
News flash for you dog, whining is whining. Your greedy, no you are, I know you are but what am I. Both sides are guilty of whining, In my opinion your side is the screechiest.
Lag
01-25-2007, 10:24 AM
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""Get me fully vested at 55 and I will be gone. In fact, I hope to be retired then anyway because as much as I love flying, I love my life and health even more. "
Sounds like the guys at USAir, give me my retirement and I'll get out by 60."
Very disingenuous of you to say this. I was responding to a point you tried to make implying that I would feel different if the retirement age was 55 instead of 60. My point is I want to retire at 55 if I didn't have to take a hit on retirement, but not at anyone else's expense. To equate this another matter entirely is wrong but I think you know that.
"News flash for you dog, whining is whining. Your greedy, no you are, I know you are but what am I. Both sides are guilty of whining, In my opinion your side is the screechiest."
Opinions are like.......everyone has one. I think yours is wrong but thanks for sharing. (Is this where I put the smiley face George?)
Sounds like the guys at USAir, give me my retirement and I'll get out by 60."
Very disingenuous of you to say this. I was responding to a point you tried to make implying that I would feel different if the retirement age was 55 instead of 60. My point is I want to retire at 55 if I didn't have to take a hit on retirement, but not at anyone else's expense. To equate this another matter entirely is wrong but I think you know that.
"News flash for you dog, whining is whining. Your greedy, no you are, I know you are but what am I. Both sides are guilty of whining, In my opinion your side is the screechiest."
Opinions are like.......everyone has one. I think yours is wrong but thanks for sharing. (Is this where I put the smiley face George?)
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