a look at stagnant wages in the us
10-10-2014, 11:29 AM
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So do you think that service industry "McDonald" would be willing to pay $50k a year if immigrants did not take the job. How much would you be willing to pay for a happy meal? As for you calling yourself a racist, I'm sure you know yourself better than any of us. How about the next time you're at work and see any immigrant that works for your company "pilot, ramp agent, MX ect" let them know how you feel. Just look them in the eye and tell them how they taking away the jobs. Last I check their are thousands of Americans working on foreign soil. FedEx has a base in Hong Kong and Germany, how do you think the locals feel about that. I don't see foreign carriers with bases in the US. It's a give and take, you lose one hand and win the other. I see a lot of guys talk about jobs being sent out of the country for cheaper labor. What the fail to realize is that it provides jobs them, because their company get the Hughes contract flying back and forth carry the products. If all outsourced jobs were immediately brought back to the US, the cargo carriers would suffer a great deal. So technically, the outsourcing of job kills employment on one hand but creates some on the other. And Don't Refer to yourself as a racist except if you truly are, which would be shameful
10-10-2014, 12:06 PM
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10-10-2014, 12:47 PM
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This country was build on hard work from our ancestors "immigrant" so what are you suggesting. Don't hire immigrants? I definitely don't support your buddy being laid of then replaced by cheaper labor regardless of the nationality of who replaced him. It was wrong, but don't make this problem about immigrants, because like I said they do most of the work others won't do. If I'm not mistaken a few years ago either Best Buy or Circuit City laid of all of their employees and rehire them at a fraction of what they were making in the same position. It's a business ethic which needs to be addressed on a much larger scale than Immigrants. Just like taking people's pension away while management get bonuses
Here're 3 more anecdotes which I know are true, and you tell me what you think:
Taiwanese lady graduated from US college with EE degree and limited English ability. She gets a work permit to work at a software development company in the US which designs parts for iPhone, She makes half of what a native born electrical engineer would make. This company only employs Chinese and Taiwanese developers and engineers. The company can undercut other companies who employ better paid engineers. This company has crap health care services. She became a citizen, but could not move on, because Apple and other silicon valley companies colluded not to hire each others employees. She brought over her parents who receive medicare, yet never paid into the system. Native born US citizens who worked their whole life in the US, paid into the system, are now being told medicare and social security have to be cut because costs are ballooning.
A native born US citizen of Chinese decent, who speaks fluent Mandarin, has 5 years international banking experience, a Cornell MBA, cannot find a job in her field, because people from China are allowed to be hired here in the US, and they will do a formerly 130K job for 60K. The aforementioned person has held 2 jobs in international business and has been laid off due to being undercut by Chinese from China. She move 2 times for jobs and finally gave up. She now is a stay at home mom with a small flower business. Is this good for the economy?
Finally, certain corporate lawyers run seminars on how to avoid hiring native born US citizens and to preferentially hire foreign born immigrants who won't protest being overworked. They can be leashed to their jobs through H1b visas. Employers will run ads that call for someone to speak some obscure dialect that has nothing to do with the job title for example, just so they can exclude everyone, but the person they want.
Is this kind of thing good for America or for a 1% who bribe politicians to get these immigration laws passed? The BS the lobbyists are spewing about immigrants only taking jobs US citizens won't do is pure propaganda for the 1%. Unlimited, unregulated immigration, especially that done at the behest of corporate America is hurting this country.
10-10-2014, 01:27 PM
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Supply and demand, it isn't an evil plot by corporations.
From a pilots perspective there will always be plenty of people willing to fly for low wages, and very few qualified for the high paying jobs.
From an economic perspective we have an economy that punishes success and rewards unemployment. Work force participation is at an all time low, capital investment is discouraged, and corporate taxes are the highest in the WORLD.
Wages will remain low as long as supply of labor is plentiful in any given field.
What is good for the economy is the very last thought for those trying to secure your vote, they will run it into the ground for a chance at power. They will never be held accountable and enjoy a nice retirement with 24/7/365 security.
More free stuff has an appeal for the wide demographic, and we are rapidly approaching the horizon of massive failure in economic policy. This is going to hurt us all, not gently like before.
From a pilots perspective there will always be plenty of people willing to fly for low wages, and very few qualified for the high paying jobs.
From an economic perspective we have an economy that punishes success and rewards unemployment. Work force participation is at an all time low, capital investment is discouraged, and corporate taxes are the highest in the WORLD.
Wages will remain low as long as supply of labor is plentiful in any given field.
What is good for the economy is the very last thought for those trying to secure your vote, they will run it into the ground for a chance at power. They will never be held accountable and enjoy a nice retirement with 24/7/365 security.
More free stuff has an appeal for the wide demographic, and we are rapidly approaching the horizon of massive failure in economic policy. This is going to hurt us all, not gently like before.
10-10-2014, 02:59 PM
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Here're 3 more anecdotes which I know are true, and you tell me what you think:
Taiwanese lady graduated from US college with EE degree and limited English ability. She gets a work permit to work at a software development company in the US which designs parts for iPhone, She makes half of what a native born electrical engineer would make. This company only employs Chinese and Taiwanese developers and engineers. The company can undercut other companies who employ better paid engineers. This company has crap health care services. She became a citizen, but could not move on, because Apple and other silicon valley companies colluded not to hire each others employees. She brought over her parents who receive medicare, yet never paid into the system. Native born US citizens who worked their whole life in the US, paid into the system, are now being told medicare and social security have to be cut because costs are ballooning.
A native born US citizen of Chinese decent, who speaks fluent Mandarin, has 5 years international banking experience, a Cornell MBA, cannot find a job in her field, because people from China are allowed to be hired here in the US, and they will do a formerly 130K job for 60K. The aforementioned person has held 2 jobs in international business and has been laid off due to being undercut by Chinese from China. She move 2 times for jobs and finally gave up. She now is a stay at home mom with a small flower business. Is this good for the economy?
Finally, certain corporate lawyers run seminars on how to avoid hiring native born US citizens and to preferentially hire foreign born immigrants who won't protest being overworked. They can be leashed to their jobs through H1b visas. Employers will run ads that call for someone to speak some obscure dialect that has nothing to do with the job title for example, just so they can exclude everyone, but the person they want.
Is this kind of thing good for America or for a 1% who bribe politicians to get these immigration laws passed? The BS the lobbyists are spewing about immigrants only taking jobs US citizens won't do is pure propaganda for the 1%. Unlimited, unregulated immigration, especially that done at the behest of corporate America is hurting this country.
Taiwanese lady graduated from US college with EE degree and limited English ability. She gets a work permit to work at a software development company in the US which designs parts for iPhone, She makes half of what a native born electrical engineer would make. This company only employs Chinese and Taiwanese developers and engineers. The company can undercut other companies who employ better paid engineers. This company has crap health care services. She became a citizen, but could not move on, because Apple and other silicon valley companies colluded not to hire each others employees. She brought over her parents who receive medicare, yet never paid into the system. Native born US citizens who worked their whole life in the US, paid into the system, are now being told medicare and social security have to be cut because costs are ballooning.
A native born US citizen of Chinese decent, who speaks fluent Mandarin, has 5 years international banking experience, a Cornell MBA, cannot find a job in her field, because people from China are allowed to be hired here in the US, and they will do a formerly 130K job for 60K. The aforementioned person has held 2 jobs in international business and has been laid off due to being undercut by Chinese from China. She move 2 times for jobs and finally gave up. She now is a stay at home mom with a small flower business. Is this good for the economy?
Finally, certain corporate lawyers run seminars on how to avoid hiring native born US citizens and to preferentially hire foreign born immigrants who won't protest being overworked. They can be leashed to their jobs through H1b visas. Employers will run ads that call for someone to speak some obscure dialect that has nothing to do with the job title for example, just so they can exclude everyone, but the person they want.
Is this kind of thing good for America or for a 1% who bribe politicians to get these immigration laws passed? The BS the lobbyists are spewing about immigrants only taking jobs US citizens won't do is pure propaganda for the 1%. Unlimited, unregulated immigration, especially that done at the behest of corporate America is hurting this country.
10-10-2014, 05:17 PM
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Illegal Aliens - No Legal Immigrants (Aliens) - Yes. One group followed the law, the other group did not. Choosing to serve so you can break the law isn't honorable any more than the guy who serves to avoid jail time… I've served with all the above and there is a distinct difference between the examples.
Foreign bases at FedEx are only allowed because we (FedEx) pay an extremely large amount of money to both those countries and the US to allow us there. There are lots of restrictions on our pilots that are there and even the length of time they can stay. Unlike your attitude of "open boarders", we have to follow the law or we get kicked out.
Oh and before you tell me the Indians were the only natives to the US, can you please explain why they have Eurasia DNA? They are immigrants too…
10-10-2014, 06:06 PM
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This is clearly a very complicated issue and is not the fault of any one political party. There are many contributing factors but the U.S. being forced into a global economy where we are faced with competing with $1 per hour labor whilst trying to somehow maintain our previous quality of life would be the main issue.
It's hilarious to me when guys try to accuse people "nowadays" of being lazy welfare queens who just want free iPhones and big screen TVs. Do those of you who blame laziness think this is a new phenomenon? People today are motivated by the same factors that our parents and grandparents were. Our economy sucks and although many of you want to take the easy way out and blame the current president, the fact is the problem is much more complicated than that. Our current welfare system has been around since the 1930's. 99% of people want to work. The sad thing is that capitalism has failed to provide a profitable alternative to government assistance.
Consider this for a second. What would most of you who point the finger at the "moochers" do if you were furloughed? Would you collect unemployment until you were able to find a job where you could afford your mortgage and car payment or would you opt out of government assistance and take a minimum wage job at McDonalds?
It's hilarious to me when guys try to accuse people "nowadays" of being lazy welfare queens who just want free iPhones and big screen TVs. Do those of you who blame laziness think this is a new phenomenon? People today are motivated by the same factors that our parents and grandparents were. Our economy sucks and although many of you want to take the easy way out and blame the current president, the fact is the problem is much more complicated than that. Our current welfare system has been around since the 1930's. 99% of people want to work. The sad thing is that capitalism has failed to provide a profitable alternative to government assistance.
Consider this for a second. What would most of you who point the finger at the "moochers" do if you were furloughed? Would you collect unemployment until you were able to find a job where you could afford your mortgage and car payment or would you opt out of government assistance and take a minimum wage job at McDonalds?
10-10-2014, 06:56 PM
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The simple fact is that the US and most other Western countries have gone deeply into debt to try to sustain an unsustainable economic outcome. The future has been sold for the present and the present won't last very long.
Think of yourselves as debt slaves rather than wage earners and you will start to get the picture.
Think of yourselves as debt slaves rather than wage earners and you will start to get the picture.
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