a look at stagnant wages in the us
10-09-2014, 09:27 PM
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The current welfare system has not been around since the 1930s. There has been government aid since the 1930s but it has gotten more generous and less restrictive since it began. And attitude about accepting a hand out have changed from embarrassment to entitlement. You bet your --- I would work minimum wage. I would also collect every nickel I could from unemployment, I paid for it.
I think a lot of guys in this industry tend to think that minimum wage jobs are restricted to high schoolers and part time college students trying to build their resume. The sad reality is that an increasing amount of our economy is based on minimum wage service industry jobs with zero chance for career advancement.
If you asked any current CEO, they would say (privately to their shareholders) that they would like every single employee (other than themselves) to work for minimum wage. After all, that would benefit the shareholders, wouldn't it? The only reason that minimum wage is as high as it is, is because it is mandated by the government. If the "free market" that so many of you worship were allowed to have ultimate control, the minimum wage would be far lower than it currently is, and more of us would be on it.
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10-09-2014, 10:52 PM
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You say our current welfare system has been around since the 1930s but I am the one oversimplifying it. All CEOs want to pay minimum wage and I am the one guilty of oversimplification. Well no I couldn't sustain my current lifestyle on minimum wage, that is the reason I went out and found a job that pays six figures. If I wanted a minimum wage lifestyle I would go on welfare. Don't forget to tell me I didn't build that in your next response Lizzie.
10-09-2014, 11:03 PM
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10-10-2014, 07:49 AM
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Once again.. oversimplification of an extremely complicated issue. Welfare has been bolstered as well as cut (welfare reform under Clinton in the '90's) over the years. The major factor that has affected our economy here in the U.S. is the fact that we now have to compete with $1 per hour labor overseas. This was not a factor 30 or 40 years ago. We fought long and hard to establish a robust middle class in this country only to have it undercut by the globalization of our economy. It's not the "immigrants" fault. We're all immigrants in this country. We can sit here and pretend that a lot of lazy immigrants crossed the border and convinced our politicians to give them government handouts but that is clearly not the case.
Entitlement.. seriously. If I hear that word one more time I think my head might explode. I'm sure that Rush and Sean and Bill are all super pumped that their word of the decade has permeated the conscious of the dwindling white upper middle class and somehow become relevant.
Yes, welfare has experienced some changes over the years. So has corporate culture and the way we value the shareholder. I would argue that the latter has had a much more detrimental effect on our current situation. Why in this country do we punish the weak and reward the as*holes? I just don't get it.
Entitlement.. seriously. If I hear that word one more time I think my head might explode. I'm sure that Rush and Sean and Bill are all super pumped that their word of the decade has permeated the conscious of the dwindling white upper middle class and somehow become relevant.
Yes, welfare has experienced some changes over the years. So has corporate culture and the way we value the shareholder. I would argue that the latter has had a much more detrimental effect on our current situation. Why in this country do we punish the weak and reward the as*holes? I just don't get it.
However, it's not what they want to hear. So, it can not be credible.
10-10-2014, 08:49 AM
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10-10-2014, 10:27 AM
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How is that different than anything I said. Why does the chamber of commerce want open borders, so they can have an unlimited stock of people willing to clean toilets as cheaply as possible. Ask any economist, our economy has shifted from manufacturing to what? Times up, you are correct a services based industry. Who do we hire for flipping burgers and trimming hedges? Times up, immigrants, legal and otherwise. If you increase the supply of something generally what happens to demand? So we increase the supply of service industry workers, what does that do to demand for service based workers? Times up, it is suppressed. What does this have to do with stagnant wage growth in the US. Why nothing of course I am a racist.
10-10-2014, 11:20 AM
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Couple of Questions. Does an unlimited supply of RJ pilots willing to fly jets at minimum wage rates help or hinder major airline pilots in their demand for income growth? Would you say airline pilot incomes are stagnant? Does holding an opinion on the subject mean you potentially hate RJ pilots? Did Bush cause Ebola?
10-10-2014, 11:25 AM
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How is that different than anything I said. Why does the chamber of commerce want open borders, so they can have an unlimited stock of people willing to clean toilets as cheaply as possible. Ask any economist, our economy has shifted from manufacturing to what? Times up, you are correct a services based industry. Who do we hire for flipping burgers and trimming hedges? Times up, immigrants, legal and otherwise. If you increase the supply of something generally what happens to demand? So we increase the supply of service industry workers, what does that do to demand for service based workers? Times up, it is suppressed. What does this have to do with stagnant wage growth in the US. Why nothing of course I am a racist.
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