a look at stagnant wages in the us
10-09-2014, 05:24 PM
#42
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Faux Hunter ... I'm confused? To the best of my knowledge, we're not currently in CEO Pay Negotiations. To be honest I really don't care how much he makes. He works hard, has almost certainly put in VERY long days and invested a significant portion of his personal wealth. He deserves to be paid a good (very good!) salary.
We're in pilot pay negotiations. We deserve to be paid a good (very good!) salary too. We shouldn't have to beg or drag negotiations on for years!*?
We're in pilot pay negotiations. We deserve to be paid a good (very good!) salary too. We shouldn't have to beg or drag negotiations on for years!*?
10-09-2014, 06:05 PM
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You are just weird and stupid. My point is that all job growth in the last 15 years has gone to aliens and you some gather that my point is "Are you suggesting that companies don't hire Aliens, legal or illegal?"
Let me type really slow for you and then you can get back to surfing porn. Aliens; legal and illegal, work cheaper than native Americans. Therefore if aliens take all of the new jobs created then wages will be stagnant. See that is the theme we are discussing. I have nothing against legal aliens. Line jumping illegal aliens however should not be allowed to work and drive down the wages for entry level jobs. There is a reason you couldnt get hired a McDonalds. Illegals work cheaper and dont smoke dope in the bathroom on their break.
So now which is it, you want to work at Fedex or you dont want to work at Fedex? You have claimed both in the last 2 months.
Who was that last poser that used to hang out here, I wonder where he went.
Let me type really slow for you and then you can get back to surfing porn. Aliens; legal and illegal, work cheaper than native Americans. Therefore if aliens take all of the new jobs created then wages will be stagnant. See that is the theme we are discussing. I have nothing against legal aliens. Line jumping illegal aliens however should not be allowed to work and drive down the wages for entry level jobs. There is a reason you couldnt get hired a McDonalds. Illegals work cheaper and dont smoke dope in the bathroom on their break.
So now which is it, you want to work at Fedex or you dont want to work at Fedex? You have claimed both in the last 2 months.
Who was that last poser that used to hang out here, I wonder where he went.
10-09-2014, 06:08 PM
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This is clearly a very complicated issue and is not the fault of any one political party. There are many contributing factors but the U.S. being forced into a global economy where we are faced with competing with $1 per hour labor whilst trying to somehow maintain our previous quality of life would be the main issue.
It's hilarious to me when guys try to accuse people "nowadays" of being lazy welfare queens who just want free iPhones and big screen TVs. Do those of you who blame laziness think this is a new phenomenon? People today are motivated by the same factors that our parents and grandparents were. Our economy sucks and although many of you want to take the easy way out and blame the current president, the fact is the problem is much more complicated than that. Our current welfare system has been around since the 1930's. 99% of people want to work. The sad thing is that capitalism has failed to provide a profitable alternative to government assistance.
Consider this for a second. What would most of you who point the finger at the "moochers" do if you were furloughed? Would you collect unemployment until you were able to find a job where you could afford your mortgage and car payment or would you opt out of government assistance and take a minimum wage job at McDonalds?
It's hilarious to me when guys try to accuse people "nowadays" of being lazy welfare queens who just want free iPhones and big screen TVs. Do those of you who blame laziness think this is a new phenomenon? People today are motivated by the same factors that our parents and grandparents were. Our economy sucks and although many of you want to take the easy way out and blame the current president, the fact is the problem is much more complicated than that. Our current welfare system has been around since the 1930's. 99% of people want to work. The sad thing is that capitalism has failed to provide a profitable alternative to government assistance.
Consider this for a second. What would most of you who point the finger at the "moochers" do if you were furloughed? Would you collect unemployment until you were able to find a job where you could afford your mortgage and car payment or would you opt out of government assistance and take a minimum wage job at McDonalds?
10-09-2014, 06:37 PM
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This is clearly a very complicated issue and is not the fault of any one political party. There are many contributing factors but the U.S. being forced into a global economy where we are faced with competing with $1 per hour labor whilst trying to somehow maintain our previous quality of life would be the main issue.
It's hilarious to me when guys try to accuse people "nowadays" of being lazy welfare queens who just want free iPhones and big screen TVs. Do those of you who blame laziness think this is a new phenomenon? People today are motivated by the same factors that our parents and grandparents were. Our economy sucks and although many of you want to take the easy way out and blame the current president, the fact is the problem is much more complicated than that. Our current welfare system has been around since the 1930's. 99% of people want to work. The sad thing is that capitalism has failed to provide a profitable alternative to government assistance.
Consider this for a second. What would most of you who point the finger at the "moochers" do if you were furloughed? Would you collect unemployment until you were able to find a job where you could afford your mortgage and car payment or would you opt out of government assistance and take a minimum wage job at McDonalds?
It's hilarious to me when guys try to accuse people "nowadays" of being lazy welfare queens who just want free iPhones and big screen TVs. Do those of you who blame laziness think this is a new phenomenon? People today are motivated by the same factors that our parents and grandparents were. Our economy sucks and although many of you want to take the easy way out and blame the current president, the fact is the problem is much more complicated than that. Our current welfare system has been around since the 1930's. 99% of people want to work. The sad thing is that capitalism has failed to provide a profitable alternative to government assistance.
Consider this for a second. What would most of you who point the finger at the "moochers" do if you were furloughed? Would you collect unemployment until you were able to find a job where you could afford your mortgage and car payment or would you opt out of government assistance and take a minimum wage job at McDonalds?
10-09-2014, 06:58 PM
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Where I live almost every business has a help wanted sign in the window. I have worked minimum wage jobs in the past. Didn't stay at min wage very long. I have worked with those that just want enough for beer on the weekend! They stayed at the min. If you show your boss you are worth more you usually will get more. If you just want to collect a paycheck - your boss will do that but it will remain at the minimum he is s required to pay you! Show up for work, be there on time, show some motivation and I bet you will get more than you started at fairly quickly!
10-09-2014, 08:46 PM
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This is clearly a very complicated issue and is not the fault of any one political party. There are many contributing factors but the U.S. being forced into a global economy where we are faced with competing with $1 per hour labor whilst trying to somehow maintain our previous quality of life would be the main issue.
It's hilarious to me when guys try to accuse people "nowadays" of being lazy welfare queens who just want free iPhones and big screen TVs. Do those of you who blame laziness think this is a new phenomenon? People today are motivated by the same factors that our parents and grandparents were. Our economy sucks and although many of you want to take the easy way out and blame the current president, the fact is the problem is much more complicated than that. Our current welfare system has been around since the 1930's. 99% of people want to work. The sad thing is that capitalism has failed to provide a profitable alternative to government assistance.
Consider this for a second. What would most of you who point the finger at the "moochers" do if you were furloughed? Would you collect unemployment until you were able to find a job where you could afford your mortgage and car payment or would you opt out of government assistance and take a minimum wage job at McDonalds?
It's hilarious to me when guys try to accuse people "nowadays" of being lazy welfare queens who just want free iPhones and big screen TVs. Do those of you who blame laziness think this is a new phenomenon? People today are motivated by the same factors that our parents and grandparents were. Our economy sucks and although many of you want to take the easy way out and blame the current president, the fact is the problem is much more complicated than that. Our current welfare system has been around since the 1930's. 99% of people want to work. The sad thing is that capitalism has failed to provide a profitable alternative to government assistance.
Consider this for a second. What would most of you who point the finger at the "moochers" do if you were furloughed? Would you collect unemployment until you were able to find a job where you could afford your mortgage and car payment or would you opt out of government assistance and take a minimum wage job at McDonalds?
10-09-2014, 09:11 PM
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The current welfare system has not been around since the 1930s. There has been government aid since the 1930s but it has gotten more generous and less restrictive since it began. And attitude about accepting a hand out have changed from embarrassment to entitlement. You bet your --- I would work minimum wage. I would also collect every nickel I could from unemployment, I paid for it.
Entitlement.. seriously. If I hear that word one more time I think my head might explode. I'm sure that Rush and Sean and Bill are all super pumped that their word of the decade has permeated the conscious of the dwindling white upper middle class and somehow become relevant.
Yes, welfare has experienced some changes over the years. So has corporate culture and the way we value the shareholder. I would argue that the latter has had a much more detrimental effect on our current situation. Why in this country do we punish the weak and reward the as*holes? I just don't get it.
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