FDX--14-04 Bid
10-08-2014, 01:42 AM
#71
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
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That's pretty much where I was going with this...
10-08-2014, 06:38 AM
#72
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
Posts: 1,162
Wow, did I strike a nerve? Name calling? How professional are you. I never said I work for FedEx, you join APC in 2013 so maybe you're not that senior anyway. Stop being so full of yourself.
10-08-2014, 07:35 AM
#74
trip trading freak
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: MD-11
Posts: 673
Star,
Right now about 15% of the pilots are on NB rate. However, if they touch a 76 they get WB rate for that trip. I don't know the percentage of pilots getting pass over but there is a portion. What you may not see is the QOL that the split gives. Being able to hold lines in/out of your hometown, well prior than if we had a single pay rate. With a single pay rate, the tendacy it to upgrade at 100% because of the pay disparity between Capt and F/O. Also, if a single pay rate was implemented, a system wide bid would have to take place and I am sure that there is a percentage that would not want that due to potentially loosing one's recurring line to someone more senior. The majority of pilots on the NB are there by choice. While outside looking in it might seem great, to actually see it from within is different. I think it is all about options.. JMHO
Right now about 15% of the pilots are on NB rate. However, if they touch a 76 they get WB rate for that trip. I don't know the percentage of pilots getting pass over but there is a portion. What you may not see is the QOL that the split gives. Being able to hold lines in/out of your hometown, well prior than if we had a single pay rate. With a single pay rate, the tendacy it to upgrade at 100% because of the pay disparity between Capt and F/O. Also, if a single pay rate was implemented, a system wide bid would have to take place and I am sure that there is a percentage that would not want that due to potentially loosing one's recurring line to someone more senior. The majority of pilots on the NB are there by choice. While outside looking in it might seem great, to actually see it from within is different. I think it is all about options.. JMHO
10-08-2014, 08:07 AM
#75
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
Posts: 1,162
Star,
Right now about 15% of the pilots are on NB rate. However, if they touch a 76 they get WB rate for that trip. I don't know the percentage of pilots getting pass over but there is a portion. What you may not see is the QOL that the split gives. Being able to hold lines in/out of your hometown, well prior than if we had a single pay rate. With a single pay rate, the tendacy it to upgrade at 100% because of the pay disparity between Capt and F/O. Also, if a single pay rate was implemented, a system wide bid would have to take place and I am sure that there is a percentage that would not want that due to potentially loosing one's recurring line to someone more senior. The majority of pilots on the NB are there by choice. While outside looking in it might seem great, to actually see it from within is different. I think it is all about options.. JMHO
Right now about 15% of the pilots are on NB rate. However, if they touch a 76 they get WB rate for that trip. I don't know the percentage of pilots getting pass over but there is a portion. What you may not see is the QOL that the split gives. Being able to hold lines in/out of your hometown, well prior than if we had a single pay rate. With a single pay rate, the tendacy it to upgrade at 100% because of the pay disparity between Capt and F/O. Also, if a single pay rate was implemented, a system wide bid would have to take place and I am sure that there is a percentage that would not want that due to potentially loosing one's recurring line to someone more senior. The majority of pilots on the NB are there by choice. While outside looking in it might seem great, to actually see it from within is different. I think it is all about options.. JMHO
Understood, it's just funny how some guys take it personal anytime a single pay rate is mention. I know there would be a lot of displacement if it was implemented, however it would be an even playing field and less training cycles for all.
10-08-2014, 08:15 AM
#76
trip trading freak
Joined APC: Oct 2010
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Posts: 673
True, but the less training cycles is better for the company, so if it is better for them, let them offer it up. Also, about 30% of the current 75 captains would not be able to hold it.
10-08-2014, 08:17 AM
#77
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10-08-2014, 09:02 AM
#78
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Not that anyone asked but, my opinion on single payscale is this. Pilots bid for only two reasons pay or quality of life issues. If you take one of those away it's bad for the whole group. Movement on a seniority list via training is good for pilots bad for company. With a single pay scale obviously there would be less training. I think for a pilot group comprised of predominantly commuters a single pay scale is very bad. Here's a **** poor example of what I'm trying to convey.
Lets say you are the no. 4 757 f/o in Nashville and you can never hold Nashville layovers, sooner or later (maybe just maybe) one of the guys senior to you bids for the money and not the quality of life issues and moves on, now you can hold Nashville until you bid for money. OK I know bad example but I can't think of one reason single payscale is good. Except for NB guys getting a raise. But if you want the money bid a WB.
Lets say you are the no. 4 757 f/o in Nashville and you can never hold Nashville layovers, sooner or later (maybe just maybe) one of the guys senior to you bids for the money and not the quality of life issues and moves on, now you can hold Nashville until you bid for money. OK I know bad example but I can't think of one reason single payscale is good. Except for NB guys getting a raise. But if you want the money bid a WB.
10-08-2014, 09:18 AM
#79
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Not that anyone asked but, my opinion on single payscale is this. Pilots bid for only two reasons pay or quality of life issues. If you take one of those away it's bad for the whole group. Movement on a seniority list via training is good for pilots bad for company. With a single pay scale obviously there would be less training. I think for a pilot group comprised of predominantly commuters a single pay scale is very bad. Here's a **** poor example of what I'm trying to convey.
Lets say you are the no. 4 757 f/o in Nashville and you can never hold Nashville layovers, sooner or later (maybe just maybe) one of the guys senior to you bids for the money and not the quality of life issues and moves on, now you can hold Nashville until you bid for money. OK I know bad example but I can't think of one reason single payscale is good. Except for NB guys getting a raise. But if you want the money bid a WB.
Lets say you are the no. 4 757 f/o in Nashville and you can never hold Nashville layovers, sooner or later (maybe just maybe) one of the guys senior to you bids for the money and not the quality of life issues and moves on, now you can hold Nashville until you bid for money. OK I know bad example but I can't think of one reason single payscale is good. Except for NB guys getting a raise. But if you want the money bid a WB.
10-08-2014, 09:31 AM
#80
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When we lose more WB aircraft and replace them with 757's - how many of those captains will keep their seat?
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