Gunter

If you are in Domicile and they have a standby crew then you don't have to extend past operational limits unless it's an operational emergency.

When in the field they effectively declare an operational emergency for YOU in the that CITY.

Always ask if they have a standby crew.

MaydayMark

I too always thought we had no official duty limits except for FAR's but ... all 3 times I was extended past contractual limits the Duty Officer did phrase it as, "I'd like to extend you guys to FAR limits, how are you feeling?"

It made me feel like maybe I had an option. I appreciated them asking.

MaxKts

What part of:

12.A.3 Operational Emergency
If the Company's operations are disrupted due to extenuating circumstances not within the control of the Company, including, but not limited to, severe weather, natural disasters, abnormal ATC limitations or significant system disruptions, the Vice President, Flight Operations, or his designee, may declare an operational emergency. When an operational emergency is declared, all flight, duty time and rest limitations may be extended/reduced to FAR limits, except as provided in Section 12.D.10. An operational emergency may be declared for a specific sort facility, a region of the system, nation wide or world wide. The Company shall publish an FCIF outlining the reasons for an operational emergency within 72 hours following the declaration thereof. In case of an operational emergency declared under this paragraph, the processes described in Section 12.C.5.b.ii. (domestic) and 12.D.6.c.ii. (international) shall apply.

Allows them to declare a personal "operational emergency" for your specific situation?

Once again - INTENT being skewed by a new interpretation of the CBA!

Goulet69

No stalking, just the power of observation while in the training building. To answer your question, he should park in the managers lot with the rest of the company men. Especially in light of the parking message the company put out this winter. I guess the term double standard doesn't apply here in your opinion. You will make an excellent company boy some day USMCFDX. I suggest you apply to any and all management positions at the earliest opportunity, as you would be an excellent and welcome addition to our Flight Ops team.

HIFLYR

Not what the contract says no need for the company to declare a ops emergency, they can simply extend you to FAR limits.

HIFLYR

Its this part of the contract
If the Company’s operations or fight(s) are disrupted due
to extenuating circumstances not within the control of the Company, including, but not limited to, severe weather, natural disasters, ATC limitations or significant system disruptions, the following shall apply:
A pilot may, subject to Section 12.C.5.b.ii. (below), be scheduled to continue up to FAR duty limits, with the prior approval of the Vice President, Flight Operations, or his designee, if necessary to complete his scheduled or rescheduled fight sequence or return to base, whichever occurs first. Block time limitations as described in Section 12.C.2.c. still apply.
In the event of a trip delay, revision or operational emergency that extends, or would extend, a pilot beyond the operational limitations, a pilot who becomes excessively tired shall notify CRS immediately and then speak to the Duty Officer about his situation.

Gunter

I did say "effectively".

I think that's just how they train the schedulers. They get used to doing it in the field and expect you to pony up automatically when in MEM. Only when you ask about a standby crew do they seemingly wake up to the fact that you don't have to do it.

In any event if I'm too tired I, or my designee (the CA), will declare a fatigue emergency.

HIFLYR

Mark in the past that was the way it was worded to me also but not this past peak.

pinseeker

If you read further, the only two options that the duty officer may approve are rescheduling you to stay within operational limitations or giving you a legal rest. You do not have to go to FAR limits.

HIFLYR

Actually if you read it closely "no offense" i had to several times with ALPA contract enforcement on the phone it references the ability for the DO to extend you. Listen you don't have to believe me call the union legal knows about it.