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Old 04-10-2014, 09:44 AM
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While they have been dancing around the issue....it is still in their proposal. If they were remotely serious about moving forward in a timely manner it would be removed. No matter what else we do....until PBS is removed from their position there is no hope of resolving this soon.
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:59 AM
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Based on the negotiations history of this company...I think our leaders are delusional if they really believe we are going to succeed in obtaining a contract without going through the mediation process. The longer we wait to file for mediation, is just that much longer we will wait for a new CBA. Just like management prefers.

Remember all the propaganda about how the NMB would look so favorably on our interim talks program, if/when it came time to file for mediation? Well, I would argue that 3+ years of direct negotiations should suffice.

We need to move closer to self help. Let's move on to the next stage, mediation, per the RLA.
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Old 04-10-2014, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
PeterGriffin, just remember that those "customers" you'd like to scare away, are the ones who actually pay you twice a month, and think about that a little more.
....or you could just punt and let the IPA do the heavy lifting.....again!
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:05 PM
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....or you could just punt and let the IPA do the heavy lifting.....again!
We did that 3 years ago and it didn't work. You guys are taking too long. You're going to make us punt again if you don't hurry. Get off you lazy arses.

FedEx and the pilots would be idiots to sign anything before your arbitration wraps up, I am sure they aren't and I am somewhat sure we aren't.
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Old 04-10-2014, 12:16 PM
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This whole bargaining session, including LOAs and interim agreements, have been diagramed in the labor attorneys' offices years ago. There is no incentive for them to move meaningfully forward until we hit predetermined gates, frustration, loss of goodwill, work action, etc. All of these have a cost associated with them. Until we cross their risk reward line, nothing will happen. It's time to make it happen. We cost in excess of 1 billion a year, the company spends allot of money on some very smart labor attorneys to control cost. There is no emotion on their part, just risk reward. The reward is money in their pocket. It's time to put money in our pocket.
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Full pull
This whole bargaining session, including LOAs and interim agreements, have been diagramed in the labor attorneys' offices years ago. There is no incentive for them to move meaningfully forward until we hit predetermined gates, frustration, loss of goodwill, work action, etc. All of these have a cost associated with them. Until we cross their risk reward line, nothing will happen. It's time to make it happen. We cost in excess of 1 billion a year, the company spends allot of money on some very smart labor attorneys to control cost. There is no emotion on their part, just risk reward. The reward is money in their pocket. It's time to put money in our pocket.
Bingo! If we only knew where that line was!
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:50 PM
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You folks should run full page adds in the WSJ and USA Today. Have an airplane fly banners over Fred's house. And picket in full uniform where ever you can. I promise Fred will cave:-) Good luck gentlemen.
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Picketing and News Print ads certainly seemed to get managements attention the last time we tried it but we should be able to expect them to negotiate in good faith
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Old 04-10-2014, 02:02 PM
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This week's FORTUNE Magazine has an article, "The WORLDS top 50 executives."

FWS is #25 ... Maybe we should try to remember that (if only he'd try to remember us)?
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Wasn't there a FDX ALPA meeting yesterday in MEM?

I'm sure there was an update on negotiations given to the membership in attendance. Did any of you belly-aching on here attend the meeting to show your support for our negotiating team and/or get your questions answered in person?

If so, why don't you update everyone on what was said?
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