UPS Furlough Over
04-10-2014, 01:08 PM
#61
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Brown
Posts: 1,126
We've had a few furloughed guys leave for FedEx. We even had a junior Non-furloughed guy leave for FedEx. But until I see a line pilot leave for any number of current places hiring, I call total BS.
Perspective is important. It's been my only airline and I'm
pretty happy.
04-10-2014, 04:32 PM
#63
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: On Food Stamps
Posts: 937
You sir are brilliant and you don't even work here anymore. I have never seen anyone so out of touch with reality and clueless. Defiantly needs to put down the hash pipe. I am so happy he has nothing to do with union business or negotiating on any level!
04-10-2014, 08:31 PM
#64
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Brown
Posts: 1,126
Thankfully, most guys at UPS are great to work with and happy to be here. Doesn't change their stance on wanting to make it better. If it sucks, why stay?
Jetjok--you're part of the group that stole from the next generation. Your little group who went back to the left seat is without conscience. Talk about pulling the ladder up and screwing your buddy. Your opinion means nothing. You spent a few months 25 years ago at UPS and think you understand our issues. You simply don't.
04-10-2014, 09:23 PM
#65
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: MD11 CPT
Posts: 1,077
Hmmm....
Well, this is my fifth airline including a commuter, a "legacy" (USAir in the late 80's), two non-Scheds while on furlough from USAir and UPS.
I think I can say a few things with confidence:
This is the best job I've ever had, worst people I've ever worked for (and I flew for Kalitta).
The pay and benefits are as good as anywhere else.
The company is as solid as any other...not that that says much these days.
Upper management is a bunch of boot licking lackies trying to please a Gordon Gekko who couldn't be a pimp in a lumber camp.
I'm past my career V1, so it isn't as much an issue to me as others.
Having been a member of four unions (including ALPA and Teamsters) IPA is the best of the best.
There is much room for improvement.
Some are compelled to constantly wring their hands and have anxiety attacks, while others deep fry themselves in denial....both based on insecurities, fear and anger.
Anything can truly happen, 99% of which we have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER.
Nobody has the perfect flying job.
Me...I have found a way to deal with a lot of it by creating a new cereal box religion, of which I am the high priest...Expectation Zero.
Everyday when I go to work, I assume UPS will hand me a broken/maybe illegal jet, the catering will suck and maybe make me sick, we'll be delayed for really lame reasons running me out to max duty, everybody around me (except IPA pilots) will try to blame it all I me and our CEO will screw something else up that may have me saying "Hi, I'm Sideshow Bob, welcome to Walmart."
So....
If any or all that happens, I shrug my shoulders, pat myself on the back for being right and have a drink.
If little or none of it happens I'm pleasantly surprised, count it a good day and try not to make my crew want to slit their wrists by flying with me.
Either way thanks to Expectation Zero UPS won't **** in my Rice Krispies....unless I let them.
Now...back to beating up on Seinfeld.
I think I can say a few things with confidence:
This is the best job I've ever had, worst people I've ever worked for (and I flew for Kalitta).
The pay and benefits are as good as anywhere else.
The company is as solid as any other...not that that says much these days.
Upper management is a bunch of boot licking lackies trying to please a Gordon Gekko who couldn't be a pimp in a lumber camp.
I'm past my career V1, so it isn't as much an issue to me as others.
Having been a member of four unions (including ALPA and Teamsters) IPA is the best of the best.
There is much room for improvement.
Some are compelled to constantly wring their hands and have anxiety attacks, while others deep fry themselves in denial....both based on insecurities, fear and anger.
Anything can truly happen, 99% of which we have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER.
Nobody has the perfect flying job.
Me...I have found a way to deal with a lot of it by creating a new cereal box religion, of which I am the high priest...Expectation Zero.
Everyday when I go to work, I assume UPS will hand me a broken/maybe illegal jet, the catering will suck and maybe make me sick, we'll be delayed for really lame reasons running me out to max duty, everybody around me (except IPA pilots) will try to blame it all I me and our CEO will screw something else up that may have me saying "Hi, I'm Sideshow Bob, welcome to Walmart."
So....
If any or all that happens, I shrug my shoulders, pat myself on the back for being right and have a drink.
If little or none of it happens I'm pleasantly surprised, count it a good day and try not to make my crew want to slit their wrists by flying with me.
Either way thanks to Expectation Zero UPS won't **** in my Rice Krispies....unless I let them.
Now...back to beating up on Seinfeld.
04-10-2014, 09:42 PM
#66
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: On Food Stamps
Posts: 937
I didn't grow up with an entitled attitude. I've worked for what I have in life, Shaggy, it wasn't bequeathed to me. You're a fricking coward. You talk tough, gripe and complain, but in the end you lack the courage to do anything. If UPS is truly as bad as you think why aren't you doing something about it?
Thankfully, most guys at UPS are great to work with and happy to be here. Doesn't change their stance on wanting to make it better. If it sucks, why stay?
Jetjok--you're part of the group that stole from the next generation. Your little group who went back to the left seat is without conscience. Talk about pulling the ladder up and screwing your buddy. Your opinion means nothing. You spent a few months 25 years ago at UPS and think you understand our issues. You simply don't.
Thankfully, most guys at UPS are great to work with and happy to be here. Doesn't change their stance on wanting to make it better. If it sucks, why stay?
Jetjok--you're part of the group that stole from the next generation. Your little group who went back to the left seat is without conscience. Talk about pulling the ladder up and screwing your buddy. Your opinion means nothing. You spent a few months 25 years ago at UPS and think you understand our issues. You simply don't.
Last edited by Shaggy1970; 04-10-2014 at 10:13 PM.
04-11-2014, 03:34 AM
#67
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
L'il,
Here's the facts. They are indisputable: 1) See my previous post in which I say you're an idiot, because, well, you are; 2) Yes, I was part of a group that exercised their rights under the new FAA rules, however, personally I never went back to a window seat, having turned 60, I went to the back seat until I retired; 3) The fact that I spent a year there (at UPS) many years ago doesn't mean I've had my head in the sand since then. I still keep in touch with a number of my old UPS classmates, who, while rather senior still think the place sucks; and finally 4) Why is it that you're perhaps the only one on APC who feels that UPS is a great place to work? We know the money and benefits are great. However, everything else is not so good. Why don't you just admit it and get on with your simplistic life, because you've earned it, which by the way, is called seniority. That's what you earned. Pure and simple.
Here's the facts. They are indisputable: 1) See my previous post in which I say you're an idiot, because, well, you are; 2) Yes, I was part of a group that exercised their rights under the new FAA rules, however, personally I never went back to a window seat, having turned 60, I went to the back seat until I retired; 3) The fact that I spent a year there (at UPS) many years ago doesn't mean I've had my head in the sand since then. I still keep in touch with a number of my old UPS classmates, who, while rather senior still think the place sucks; and finally 4) Why is it that you're perhaps the only one on APC who feels that UPS is a great place to work? We know the money and benefits are great. However, everything else is not so good. Why don't you just admit it and get on with your simplistic life, because you've earned it, which by the way, is called seniority. That's what you earned. Pure and simple.
04-11-2014, 05:23 AM
#68
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: On Food Stamps
Posts: 937
L'il,
Here's the facts. They are indisputable: 1) See my previous post in which I say you're an idiot, because, well, you are; 2) Yes, I was part of a group that exercised their rights under the new FAA rules, however, personally I never went back to a window seat, having turned 60, I went to the back seat until I retired; 3) The fact that I spent a year there (at UPS) many years ago doesn't mean I've had my head in the sand since then. I still keep in touch with a number of my old UPS classmates, who, while rather senior still think the place sucks; and finally 4) Why is it that you're perhaps the only one on APC who feels that UPS is a great place to work? We know the money and benefits are great. However, everything else is not so good. Why don't you just admit it and get on with your simplistic life, because you've earned it, which by the way, is called seniority. That's what you earned. Pure and simple.
Here's the facts. They are indisputable: 1) See my previous post in which I say you're an idiot, because, well, you are; 2) Yes, I was part of a group that exercised their rights under the new FAA rules, however, personally I never went back to a window seat, having turned 60, I went to the back seat until I retired; 3) The fact that I spent a year there (at UPS) many years ago doesn't mean I've had my head in the sand since then. I still keep in touch with a number of my old UPS classmates, who, while rather senior still think the place sucks; and finally 4) Why is it that you're perhaps the only one on APC who feels that UPS is a great place to work? We know the money and benefits are great. However, everything else is not so good. Why don't you just admit it and get on with your simplistic life, because you've earned it, which by the way, is called seniority. That's what you earned. Pure and simple.
04-11-2014, 05:25 PM
#70
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: B747-400 Cpt retired
Posts: 83
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
