BrownClown

I wasn't aware of that, but if true that really sucks.

CloudSailor

Not fully accurate.

I drove a "package car" for a UPS seasonal job many years ago. I got to see how during peak times of the season, all the seasonal guys' cars were loaded up with about twice the volume/stops than the cars of unionized full-time drivers. Then, they would send a supervisor (manager) along with each of the seasonal guys to "help" while those cars stayed out delivering for about 4 hours later than the other guys. I was in college and had a lot to learn about the concept of labor unions, but what UPS was doing was a clear work-around to hiring full-time union drivers, and paying properly for overtime. Unethical? Yes. But, not against their contract. Of course, the supervisors were hated and disrespected on the line. I feel that what you guys post on here, is what the drivers also have to deal with. I was able to see the deep divide between labor and management, and the lack of respect for each other (on the package car line), first hand.

L'il J.Seinfeld

I'm no expert on the Teamster contract as it pertains to drivers, but I think what you described is a violation. The way I understand it is that their contract forbids non-union personnel from driving. Maybe they have a seasonal exclusion to hire help, but that should not include managers.

Bottom line is that UPS, better than any other company, has an adversarial nature with labor. Many UPS pilots think they hate us because we are pilots. That's simply not true. They hate us because. We are labor.

CloudSailor

That's exactly what I'm saying, that work "should not" include managers, but it does. I was correcting your earlier statement that "no other managers at UPS do union work".

L'il J.Seinfeld

Gotcha. I see now. They are devils.

aflouisville

UPS will never fire the NURPS wholesale. They would rather do some kind of buyout.

Swedish Blender

The arbitrator will look at industry average to determine PBS. Even so, you can still vote no on an arbitrated contract.

pinseeker

Arbitrators can't change a contract or add to a contract via a ruling, they only rule on the current language of the contract(ie. they can't add PBS language to a contract were non existed.) During negotiations, an arbitrator only gets involved if BOTH sides agree to binding arbitration. I can't see that happening.

During self help, all bets are off on both sides.

FDXLAG

Sounds like we all agree the only way, under the RLA, to get PBS are negotiation, bankruptcy and judgment, self help, and/or arbitration. And if you vote no on the arbitration what happens and who decides the scheduling rules?

aflouisville

Even if the cargo cutout is removed, the FAA will allow an implementation period like they did for PAX carriers. Don't look for anything dramatic until early 2016