CloudSailor

Trip number/date please?

DoodyOfficer

I want to thank ALPA for putting out some information regarding charters. From what I'm hearing the individual who is being investigated is not playing the shady union busting games. I wish him the best of luck and hopefully ALPA will put up a strong defense.

However, like I stated earlier ALPA is not legally bound to defend anybody in the union. “In the event of a suit against a member arising out of his employment, ALPA shall not be obligated to provide legal assistance, except to the extent that such action would be within the recognized purposes of ALPA in protecting and advancing the welfare and security of all airline pilots individually and collectively. Further, any question arising as to the justification of such legal assistance in any particular case or set of circumstances shall be resolved by the Executive Council.(ALPA Manual section 41 paragraph c).

This is why I remain consistent and disappointed that the message we’ve received stating “a primary function of this union is the representation and defense of individuals subject to management’s disciplinary process. We are doing that. " I wish this statement would have been more measured with wording like individuals in good standing or something like that.

It was a start. Thanks to all the members who emailed their reps and kept the subject alive.

1st overnite

I was bored so I looked at JS's schedule. He is still getting all the good charters. Pretty amazing.

Sum Ting Wong

[QUOTE=DoodyOfficer;1619612]I want to thank ALPA for putting out some information regarding charters. From what I'm hearing the individual who is being investigated is not playing the shady union busting games.

What are U hearing?

FDXLAG

[QUOTE=Sum Ting Wong;1625903]Two options: He could be playing the daylight union busting game or the shady union building game.

Lifizgud

And can we PULLLEEEAAASSSE stop calling them the wolf pack and assign them the rightful monicker of "Rat Pack"?

moondoggie11

I just finished skimming most of this thread which I had deliberately avoided reading before because I knew it would **** me off...and it did...because I have lost out on Charters and Extra trips on numerous occasions to the same rogue group. See something, say something...yeah, to no avail, both company and ALPA. Pretty much gave up on waiting for frozen trips to thaw and attempting to snag 2xxx trips at least six months ago. So at the risk of beating a dead horse, because I think this thread should be kept current until the mystery of Charter acquisition is solved and appropriate action is taken, I'll start off on topic, drift a little, then return to topic.

It did occur to me that one interesting MD-11 statistic would be the number/percentage of guys in your seat that have OTP in their bank during an average month. If it's only 1%, then the usual suspects could have the whole Charter playing field to themselves once they've managed to somehow accumulate the necessary hours. Any more than that and the game is afoot. I suspect it's more like 10% but most guys I've talked to on Sub do not elect OTP for a variety of reasons, mostly because they want their money ASAP and/or don't want to hawk open time even for the extra 25% so it's a relatively small group. Personally, I prefer the OTP because, as a VTO guy, I hawk open time constantly anyway and if the company wants to give me an extra 25% for my trouble I'll take it. That being said, I've only been put in Sub less than 10 times in my career. And I never heard of PMU Recycling until I read this thread. The fact that you can drop a PMU trip and pick it up with trip specific M/U is incomprehensible...an abuse of the system at best.

However, in response to the above posts, and correct me if I'm wrong, any drop request gets processed along with M/U requests in time stamped order. Assuming you didn't get earlier time stamped, you would get the trip...i.e. there is no need to wait for the drop to get processed to submit the pickup request. But during OT Release you would still have to wait six hours to get the good news. So I believe FlyBoyd was correct and this would be true for any drop/pickup like dropping a trip that conflicted with your desired trip.

After all the talk about F/Os, I was surprised to hear the rumor that a Capt is being investigated, or worse, for the Charter ripoffs. No discussion I can recall on specific Captains involved. Are the usual suspects still doing it despite being under the microscope and a topic of discussion on APC? Any other shareable news about additional investigations or rumor confirmations greatly appreciated.

Finally, the term "wolf pack" they have allegedly given themselves is BS. And, unfortunately, the "Rat Pack" is already taken...the 60s called and they want it back. Rather than pay any tribute to our infamous group they should be called the "back pack" for their ability to chronically stab their fellow pilots in the back. And that's all I have to say about that.

Overnitefr8

The only problem I see with this technique is that you can't pick up a trip for make up or anyway else unless it is in open time. If you submit a drop and a make up for the same trip at the same time, when you submit the make up it will say "trip not in open time". You have to wait for the drop to be processed. Of course you know it has been submitted and it should be appearing soon (usually, or maybe not usually )

moondoggie11

Once the drop is processed first wouldn't it by definition be in open time...even if only for the nanosecond it (the computer, not the scheduler) took to process your pick up request? Anyone? Buehler?

Gunpig

Yes but until the moment it's processed you're still on the trip & thus can't pick it back up with general m/u. You can't submit a makeup request for a trip you already hold until it's open