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Old 03-03-2014, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MX727
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Zpig pointed out why OTP recycling is the right thing for the majority of the pilots. Unfortunately, a few have figured out how to manipulate that process. Removing the ability to drop an OTP trip and regain your eligibility would punish 98% because of the 2%.
I am not sure z pig pointed that out. Why should open time priority be a renewable blank check?
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:48 AM
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I am not sure z pig pointed that out. Why should open time priority be a renewable blank check?
Agreed. Don't think it's criminal, but it is definitely scamming. And I guarantee you that the other 98% aren't scamming with OTP like that, just a few are. It's a glitch in the system that some may be using to cut in line. I do know people that call the schedulers and keep them on the line while they do their thing. Don't think that's necessarily unethical, but I personally can't bring myself to call a scheduler and ask for a favor. This is not the old days, and it gives me the willies to ask them for something.
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Old 03-03-2014, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I am not sure z pig pointed that out. Why should open time priority be a renewable blank check?
I probably shouldn't have used the word recycling as it may cause someone to not read the complete thought without forming a bias.

This is what he said, so I'm still giving him credit for pointing out what the original intent of being able to re-gain your OTP status was for.

Originally Posted by Zpig
Yes, "OTP recycling" is a real thing, but whether it's good or evil depends on how it's used. If I have 14 hours of OTP, and pick up a VCP trip for 20 hours (yes, you can go +6), and subsequently my family plans change, I can drop the trip and "re-use" my original 14 hours of OTP.
The problem becomes when guys figure out how to drop a trip, have a buddy pick it up and then they take it from their bud. Or they pick up OTP, drop it and immediately pick up the same trip. That's the real issue and the "blank check" that you reference.

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Old 03-03-2014, 02:02 PM
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Ive had OTP and never done that well. I still think it takes someone inside processing trips and giving heads up calls to get trips month after month after month....

Just me speculating....
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Old 03-03-2014, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MX727
It shouldn't but you miss the point he made. You use your OTP and when you tell your spouse that you picked up a trip, they remind you that you need those days off. You drop the trip and you go back into OTP for the original trip. Then you find a different trip that you can actually fly and you are done with OTP. I don't have a problem with that.

The problem becomes when guys figure out how to drop a trip, have a buddy pick it up and then they take it from their bud. Or they pick up OTP, drop it and immediately pick up the same trip. That's the real issue and the "blank check" that you reference.
As long as you can recycle open time the blank check is going to be a problem. OTP bidders should not be protected from being stupid any more than the rest of us. If you buy a scratch off lottery ticket and scratch the part that says void if tampered with tough titties.
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Old 03-03-2014, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Albief15
Ive had OTP and never done that well. I still think it takes someone inside processing trips and giving heads up calls to get trips month after month after month....

Just me speculating....
Yeah but the OTP makes it easier for the scheduler to hide the decline in climate gate terms.
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Old 03-03-2014, 02:19 PM
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Instantaneous trading would solve the problem. OTP would go away. I'm ok with that because schedulers would no longer be directly involved in trip trading(can't corrupt the computer) and how often do you get OTP anyway? Nothing is perfect but getting instantaneous trading would solve a lot of problems.
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Old 03-03-2014, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Albief15
Ive had OTP and never done that well. I still think it takes someone inside processing trips and giving heads up calls to get trips month after month after month....

Just me speculating....
Albie,
when you had it was it a lot or only 10-20 hrs? Also, while you had it, did you clear your schedule and max out vips each day? If you have a few buds checking also and you get a quick text, you're in. I'm not saying that is or isn't happening, but I would say you can be successful without it.
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Old 03-03-2014, 07:28 PM
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That successful?
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:50 PM
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That successful?
Had a few months in a row that was pure but I didn't do the OTP pickup-drop trip-pick up with normal MU. But to answer your question, probably not.
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