2 xtra's and a charter this month for ~81:00 hrs and he's probably not done yet. This cancer is ridiculous.

Come on now we have had our best CSI team investigating for the last TWO years. In two more years it will be reported that no issue was found. Trips get flown=Non member management doesn't care.

Heard a rumor today that one of the captain ring leaders got either suspended or fired. Can anyone confirm?

I heard a similar rumor of one of them being confronted about conspiring with a charters scheduler, denying it and then being played a tape of the conversation before being fired. Just rumor though. Good riddance if true.

In your rumor does the scheduler get promoted?

Didn't hear, but probably.

Forgot to use their throwaway phones? :rolleyes:

Their burner phones were cloned.

Now that a few days have passed, any confirmation of the rumor above about someone getting fired? Something besides a crew bus driver's say-so. :p

How's the activity been for charter and x-pairing pickups for the usual suspects since the flurry of activity several weeks ago?

just a hunch, but since the SCP published a letter recently saying that they had no suspects I would assume that IF this was true it would not be that someone was already fired, rather someone could be involved in a discipline case per the CBA for issues such as those talked about in this string?

Due process takes some length of time and highly unlikely it has gone all the way to a termination decision with the short duration since the "let's talk charters" message. YMMV

FDX Charters
 

No suspects! Do they actually look at any flight numbers beginning 97xx?

How about this...... where does the "wolf-pack" bid to as the MD-11 draws down? EWR-767? Most charters are to/from somewhere in Europe.
Discuss

So, the captain and crew scheduler fired stories were false rumors then? (long way from Memphis here, plus no good thread activity lately ;)).

First, I'm not defending these guys or flight mana.ement. I'm only trying to point out what the contract says.

25.L.1.a .***A pilot shall have the ability to submit for a bid line adjustment through VIPS at any time during the bid period.* Submissions for bid line adjustments shall be processed within each type of adjustment (e.g., PMU,
make-up, open time trades, etc.) in the order in which they are received.

So time stamps only apply within a category. All PMU are processed together, all MUV togethet and all open time trades together etc.

So an open time trade with a time stamp of 0001Z cannot be compared to a PMU request with a time stamp of 0002Z.

The question now becomes, in what order are requests processed. Here is all I can find:

25.G.3.b Open time not assigned as provided in Section 25.G.1. (above) shall be assigned in the following order:

i.****SUB, RAT or PMU;

ii.***Make-up:

(a)*CMU

(b)*M/U

(c)*MUS* (includes both MUS and MUD)

(d)*MUV;

iii.**AFB;

iv.**RSV;

v.***VLT;

vi.**DRF.

Note no mention of open time. My guess is that CRS policy (since it is not spelled out in the contract) is open time is processed after MUV on the list. That way they cover the max amount of trips.

So if at the beginning of the month I drop my entire line and then hawk open time my MU request will always trump an open time swap every time. And I don't necessarily have to do trip specific with a time stamp. I can have a general makeup request in the system that will also trump the open time request

Not saying it is right, just the way it is.

Of coure real time trip trading solves all of this.

No Fair!! You can't play the Logic and 'I read the contract' cards this deep into an [obviously] emotional thread.

And 'real time' trip trades may not fix the problem if they put the same type of limitations in place (aka time delays).

No one is questioning the open time hawking. They are questioning the PMU recycling and frozen trips suddenly unfrozen. And instantaneous trip trades (it seems some of us have real time trip trading).

It is my understanding that open time processing is essentially make up, you have to have some make up bank to play in the open time window. General makeup is processed before volunteer to preclude the company from paying time and a half. And yes I know you can have 0 in your bank and bid for 6 hours or you can volunteer with 0 in the bank. But I would bet 98% of open time window is general make up.

You answered your own question. PMU (OTP) is processed ahead of m/u if it's in the cue at the same time for the same trip (CBA 25.G.3.b).

CBA 25.L.1.a simply establishes the time stamp process. I.e. 0001z PMU request trumps a 0002z PMU request. However PMU still trumps MU/etc at shown in 25.g.3.b

Gotta love how easy it is to read this CBA :-/

Like LAG said, it is not the priority of open time or open time hawking that anyone cares about. If you want to spend all your free time glued to VIPs then have fun. It's the PMU (OTP) recycling and mysterious frozen trips that need to be addressed

FDXLAG,

How are you able to see the paycode for these guy's trips?

It doesn't have to be PMU to trump a trip trade.

Scenario:
Trip drops into open time, double deadhead. Frozen
You are determined to get it and sit at your computer for hours refressing the screen. Finally it opens up and you submit your trade.

If I have a general makeup request in the system that I either just put in when the trip appeared or if I put it in days prior, I get the trip and you get earlier timestamp. No PMU involved!

I am not saying that there isn't some funny stuff going on, only pointing out a way to increase your chances.

Any kind of makeup has priority over trip trade.

And I still want to know how one may access another's pay code.

I'm not sure I understand this statement. All of these are open time, with M/U being the most common way that a pilot picks up a trip.

Meant to say triptrade with open time.

Not seeing pay codes. I believe one of the wolf pack came here and claimed great luck via PMU. Trip specific MU always trumps Gen MU. Trip trades suck because of insufficient reserves. More work for the schedulers so they blow it off. But I bet they process trip trade sat the same time as open time.

So did someone get fired or is that a made up rumor?

It's pretty amazing to me that really none of us knows specifically how the trip trade/ make up process works. We have generalizations in the CBA and we also have assumptions on this forum (like re-cycling PMU) but somehow no one knows for sure. This process needs to be explained to the crew force so everyone knows what the rules are and how to play by these secret rules.

Ok, can't verify the PMU recycling loophole.

So your best shot at getting a trip is by M/U. Now the question is what is the priority in this category?

Is a trip specific request honored above a general request?

Does it go on time stamp? If so then a general request put in a week in advance is the way to go.

Does seniority count? I put my request in first but then 5 min later someone senior requests makeup. Does he get it?

Can't find any contract reference to answer these questions. Anyone?

Maybe one of the management lurkers will take the hint and show some transparency and leadership and write an article to post on PFC. Just saying, it would enhance our culture.

Did I use all the correct buzz words?

And PBS will be just as transparent as this trip trade system is.
Looking forward to it.

Nice to see someone can recognize sarcasam.

Turps, do you actually work at FedEx or are you new? Makeup of any type, except PMU, doesn't trump jack. Processed in time stamped order, along with open time trades.

All I know is what I can read in the contract, which aint much. Like I said I can't find any ref to open time trade in the list of how trips are assigned. Enlighten me. Seems to work as I described but I could be wrong.

I can't tell you when trip trades are processed, I can tell you schedulers will recommend drop then add to increase you chance for success.

Well,
There's what the contract says and then there's past practice.

It doesn't seem as if the system functions purely as an earlier time stamp decision matrix. I have had OTP during previous open time releases and the approval comes way quicker than any denied earlier time stamp message I've ever received

"Note no mention of open time. My guess is that CRS policy (since it is not spelled out in the contract) is open time is processed after MUV on the list. That way they cover the max amount of trips"

Sure, Chuck, I'll enlighten you. I've been massively, tediously, trip trading for about 20 years. No, open time trip trades are not processed after MUV, or any makeup except for PMU. All trip trades and makeup go in time stamp order (except for PMU, that goes to the top of the list). You can try it. Put in a bunch of trip trades, mixed with trip specific makeup requests. You will find that they will not process your makeup trip requests first, they will process it all in the order that you put it in. PMU has top priority, and they sometimes process it before you have even put in your next trip trade. The other stuff all just goes in one after another. I guarantee it.

How bout this... you put a makeup request in and get back disapproved earlier time stamp... and the trip went to someone on reserve.

Gotcha. Thanks

The reason we are not hearing about the captain that is currently part of internal company proceedings is because your dues are paying for his protection.
Ask your block rep about it

Turp,
I specifically called the scheduling manager about 2 years ago about this. This is what I was told...
i. SUB, RAT, PMU - first priority, all equal
ii. Make-up/trip trade - all make-up types and trip trade processed on time stamp, no pecking order.

Then AFB then RSV then vol then draft.

Viper,
IF you got an earlier time stamp to a reserve assignment, If you call the scheduler and ask them, if the reserve has not acknowledged the assignment, they will assign it to you. They most like were assigning it when you put in for it and didn't see your request. It benefits them you flying it as make-up then they get to keep the reserve for something else.

Lag,
I'm not a wolf pack guy, but I will tell you I had great success with getting xpairings with PMU. PMU is the ultimate trump card and once you have it, you move to the front of the line. You also can get trips (charter) that have a higher rate of canceling than others.
I never dropped a pmu trip and pick it back up at general make up, but those that have still have up to their expiration of their pmu to pick up other tasty tid bits.
Pakage

So if I put in for general makeup on Monday for trips on Friday, say min five days and double deadhead. Then on Friday they add an x pairing that meets my parameter do I have the earlier time stamp or someone who trip trades for it on Friday?

I just had this happen. I had a general mu request that I had submitted last week in for yesterday. at 1000 am yesterday a trip fell into open time that fit my parameters exactly. I submitted a trip specific mu request to get it around 11. I am not sure when they finally turn to the general mu list.

In your scenario, they will give it to person that does the specific trade.

"Varsity Chuck" definitely works at FDX, I'm pretty sure that I've flown with him.

Minor point ... I seem to recall that Varsity Chuck used to work in Management

Whoa --- watch the thread drift

Let's not start talking about when you're required to get a Doctors Note

That's a totally different issue

....or is it??;)