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Old 01-25-2014, 11:06 AM
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The futon is not required. Only the RFO is required under 12 hrs.
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Old 01-25-2014, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by R1200RT
The futon is not required. Only the RFO is required under 12 hrs.

I once had a "debate" with the Duty Officer when they wanted to send me to Brazil with the MD-11 Crew Rest MEL'd INOP. I told him he was required to swap airplanes or AT LEAST get me a futon.

He eventually found me a new futon (GOC said none were available).

Long story short ... I researched this after I got to Brazil, and ... what R1200RT said above was the only thing I could find in the FAR's.
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Old 01-25-2014, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
FBH - I know the rules on times. My point was where in FAR's is it allowed that the "crew rest" will be in a cockpit jumpseat? The company has tried to pull this before when sending a MD10-30 to CDG and having the courier seats broken (MEL'd as do not occupy) and no futon on board!
Mem-VCP on the mighty DC-10......9+30 and a restful sleep in the s/o seat.....for the s/o!
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AerisArmis
Mem-VCP on the mighty DC-10......9+30 and a restful sleep in the s/o seat.....for the s/o!
Is that the cause of him to bite off the ear of the RFO in VCP?
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AerisArmis
Mem-VCP on the mighty DC-10......9+30 and a restful sleep in the s/o seat.....for the s/o!
Different rules when you had an engineer!
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by R1200RT
The futon is not required. Only the RFO is required under 12 hrs.
But the Operating crewmember needs a place to "rest" when the RFO is occupying a window seat. A reclining cabin type seat with footrest like most of the courier seats on the MD (although the "footrest" part of it is marginal at best) qualifies for this requirement. A cockpit seat does not!
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:28 PM
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If you can crew rest as a required crewmember why can you not rest while jumpseating in for a trip?
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
If you can crew rest as a required crewmember why can you not rest while jumpseating in for a trip?
Because...shut up!
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
If you can crew rest as a required crewmember why can you not rest while jumpseating in for a trip?
Good point. Looks like the 76 might cause the company more headaches than they bargained for, and bring others questions to light.
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Old 01-25-2014, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock
China Southern used to keep a mattress on top of the freight!
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