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Old 12-16-2013, 01:11 PM
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If you think about it, its a reasonable man way of dealing with ...

Did you really just say that when discussing The Company's deviation expense policies?






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Sometimes, just sometimes, the company "gets it", or at least someone within convinces the powers that be that there is a way of satisfying everyone.
Not saying it happens all the time, or even most of the time, but sometimes they do get it right (think: sleep rooms).
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(think: sleep rooms).
I'd REALLY like to think that sleep rooms were the "right" thing to do.

Call me skeptical? I'm guessing the sleep room were part of the "Cargo Cutout" sales job!*?

If it were "Safety" related then why didn't se have them MANY years ago?
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I'd REALLY like to think that sleep rooms were the "right" thing to do.

Call me skeptical? I'm guessing the sleep room were part of the "Cargo Cutout" sales job!*?

If it were "Safety" related then why didn't se have them MANY years ago?
Mayday, I think you are absolutely correct. We could have had, should have had sleep rooms for everyone years ago if it was a safety issue.

I don't think it's a "cargo cutout" issue. I think this thing is about mitigating the effects of the new rest rules that the Company assumed would effect them. If a company has a fatigue reduction plan, i.e. sleep rooms, they can mitigate some of what they perceived as detrimental effects of the new rules. So now, if the cargo cutout goes away, the Company will still have their fatigue migration plan and thus be good to go.

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Its a good play for the pilot with an underweight bank, but a real PITA if the plan changes. Still you shouldn't have to budget for the airline change fees.

You know what they call that at FDX? A pilot.

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I'd REALLY like to think that sleep rooms were the "right" thing to do.

Call me skeptical? I'm guessing the sleep room were part of the "Cargo Cutout" sales job!*?

If it were "Safety" related then why didn't se have them MANY years ago?
Part of the company response to the NPRM regarding rest rules was that "We provide our crews with world-class rest facilities."

That was a little white lie. They are pretty good now, not so great at the time of that writing.

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Old 12-18-2013, 07:31 AM
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Call me skeptical? I'm guessing the sleep room were part of the "Cargo Cutout" sales job!*?

If it were "Safety" related then why didn't se have them MANY years ago?
I can't remember the exact year, but we got sleep rooms when the AOC opened, I'm thinking 99 or 2000? By any stretch, long before the (fatigue) discussion raised by the Colgan crash.
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Don, we had sleep rooms, although not many of them (around 25, if I remember correctly) well before the year 2000. If you remember, they were located directly across the street from the old AOC, in those two trailers. For sure they were there as far back as 1990.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:29 AM
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Steve,
I know what your talking about, but I don't think most of us really considered theses "rooms". More like a semi private lounge area.

When they opened the AOC, we got rooms, just not enough if everyone who did a hub turn wanted one. They just recently opened the (former) locker area as a much larger area with sleep rooms. The old AOC area is still there and rooms are handed out early to international pilots who commute in early to get a legal rest before the long departures out of Memphis. How's CT? kinda cold, with snow I guess.
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Don,
They were actually rooms, with doors, locks, beds, some even had window air conditioners to supplement the central A/C that ran through those trailers. They had "In Use" signs on the doors and most guys would clip their ID card next to the sign in case the company needed to wake you up early.

Yeah it's cold here, but it's a dry cold. Retirement is working out fine and I'm playing as much ball as ever, if not more. Gotta do something to fill up the day.

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