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Old 10-08-2013, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Huck
Can you sue the federal government?

The answer is: sometimes.

Sovereign immunity prevents it, unless the claim comes under the specific exemptions allowed by the Federal Tort Claims Act.

Federal Tort Claims Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes you can sue the government and any of its agencies but they can never be at fault and will settle with a change in regulation and or training or a form a retribution usually not monetary.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cp44fla
I'm no lawyer nor do I pretend to have any idea what I'm talking about but the FAA excluding cargo pilots from the new legislation just seems to scream liability if something were to happen attributable to fatigue. The FAA obviously knows there is a danger yet doesn't deem cargo pilots lives worth enough to force airlines (see lobbyists) to spend the money. I would think a pilots family would have basis for a lawsuit against the FAA. Anyone know better?
great point, i would not be surprised if the families of the 2 UPS pilots sued the FAA saying exactly what you just said. No reason for the cargo cutout besides the fat cats in DC, absolutely needs to change
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
So it's the FAA's fault the pilot didn't put in enough rudder correction during takeoff?

And if this is true:

"Yet, passengers and some crew members who filed the FAA lawsuit also blamed air traffic controllers for failing to inform pilots of crosswinds gusting to 40 mph, Lampert said."

No wonder major airline pilots always ask for wind checks. Maybe they are on to something.
it's little known, but that's not it actually. The FO was flying and the CA never took his hand off the tiller so the nosewheel steering was still engaged at high speeds. I think they were fighting each others inputs. Pretty sure it's in the report
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by McBoeingBus
Things never seem to change. I read a similar article 20 years ago about a C210 breaking up in flight while flying through a line of embedded level 5 thunderstorms. Cessna was found at fault when the wings just fell off. Never underestimate the ignorance of the average American juror.
That pilot was Scott Crossfield, at 84 yrs old.

I'd question whether he was of sound mind/able to make good decisions, but I doubt anyone around him questioned him. He did amazing things for our aeronautics and space research. Due to who it was, that's most likely why someone sued everyone and everything on his behalf.
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Old 10-08-2013, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
That pilot was Scott Crossfield, at 84 yrs old.

I'd question whether he was of sound mind/able to make good decisions, but I doubt anyone around him questioned him. He did amazing things for our aeronautics and space research. Due to who it was, that's most likely why someone sued everyone and everything on his behalf.
Crossfield's accident was in 2006, not 20 years ago, and the wings didn't come off his airplane. Someone else will have to research if his survivors sued Cessna, but my guess would be they didn't.
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Old 10-09-2013, 04:07 AM
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Exempting cargo pilots from rest rules is a bit like exempting truck drivers from rest rules, and only enforcing them for bus drivers. When they crash they are equally likely to involve bystanders.

If you are tired you are tired. you cannot always just fall asleep when you want or be awake when you want to be thats just the way it goes.

I have always said the rules are written in blood and until a cargo plane hits a school full of children nothing will be done. The very sad truth.
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
That pilot was Scott Crossfield, at 84 yrs old.

I'd question whether he was of sound mind/able to make good decisions, but I doubt anyone around him questioned him. He did amazing things for our aeronautics and space research. Due to who it was, that's most likely why someone sued everyone and everything on his behalf.
The one I'm referring to was way before Crossfield. Did his family sue?
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