FDX - DOD Contracts
09-01-2013, 09:54 AM
#11
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Are you sure this is occurring?
(....a sincerely genuine question)
Yes --- one can drop an OTP trip, but I never heard the hours are put back into
anything other than the normal make up bank at that point --- nor have I heard the 2 month clock "resets"
I agree --- if happening, I don't believe this was ever the intent
However, the pilot who drops his OTP trip into Open Time is not guaranteed to pick it right back up for 3 reasons:
The drop is not immediately processed --- it could take hours
The drop could be denied for Insufficient Reserves
He's competing with just Normal MakeUp when it does reappear in Open Time
If pilots are doing this excessively they must spend hours at it
...or have friends in scheduling willing to push that big process button every time they call
(....a sincerely genuine question)
Yes --- one can drop an OTP trip, but I never heard the hours are put back into
anything other than the normal make up bank at that point --- nor have I heard the 2 month clock "resets"
I agree --- if happening, I don't believe this was ever the intent
However, the pilot who drops his OTP trip into Open Time is not guaranteed to pick it right back up for 3 reasons:
The drop is not immediately processed --- it could take hours
The drop could be denied for Insufficient Reserves
He's competing with just Normal MakeUp when it does reappear in Open Time
If pilots are doing this excessively they must spend hours at it
...or have friends in scheduling willing to push that big process button every time they call
09-01-2013, 10:15 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: B-757 Capt.
Posts: 187
Are you sure this is occurring?
(....a sincerely genuine question)
Yes --- one can drop an OTP trip, but I never heard the hours are put back into
anything other than the normal make up bank at that point --- nor have I heard the 2 month clock "resets"
I agree --- if happening, I don't believe this was ever the intent
However, the pilot who drops his OTP trip into Open Time is not guaranteed to pick it right back up for 3 reasons:
The drop is not immediately processed --- it could take hours
The drop could be denied for Insufficient Reserves
He's competing with just Normal MakeUp when it does reappear in Open Time
If pilots are doing this excessively they must spend hours at it
...or have friends in scheduling willing to push that big process button every time they call
(....a sincerely genuine question)
Yes --- one can drop an OTP trip, but I never heard the hours are put back into
anything other than the normal make up bank at that point --- nor have I heard the 2 month clock "resets"
I agree --- if happening, I don't believe this was ever the intent
However, the pilot who drops his OTP trip into Open Time is not guaranteed to pick it right back up for 3 reasons:
The drop is not immediately processed --- it could take hours
The drop could be denied for Insufficient Reserves
He's competing with just Normal MakeUp when it does reappear in Open Time
If pilots are doing this excessively they must spend hours at it
...or have friends in scheduling willing to push that big process button every time they call
09-01-2013, 11:39 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: MD-11 Captain
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09-01-2013, 04:13 PM
#14
trip trading freak
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: MD-11
Posts: 673
Are you sure this is occurring?
(....a sincerely genuine question)
Yes --- one can drop an OTP trip, but I never heard the hours are put back into
anything other than the normal make up bank at that point --- nor have I heard the 2 month clock "resets"
I agree --- if happening, I don't believe this was ever the intent
However, the pilot who drops his OTP trip into Open Time is not guaranteed to pick it right back up for 3 reasons:
The drop is not immediately processed --- it could take hours
The drop could be denied for Insufficient Reserves
He's competing with just Normal MakeUp when it does reappear in Open Time
If pilots are doing this excessively they must spend hours at it
...or have friends in scheduling willing to push that big process button every time they call
(....a sincerely genuine question)
Yes --- one can drop an OTP trip, but I never heard the hours are put back into
anything other than the normal make up bank at that point --- nor have I heard the 2 month clock "resets"
I agree --- if happening, I don't believe this was ever the intent
However, the pilot who drops his OTP trip into Open Time is not guaranteed to pick it right back up for 3 reasons:
The drop is not immediately processed --- it could take hours
The drop could be denied for Insufficient Reserves
He's competing with just Normal MakeUp when it does reappear in Open Time
If pilots are doing this excessively they must spend hours at it
...or have friends in scheduling willing to push that big process button every time they call
Trip picked up on OPT, then a call to the scheduler at a slow time:
I'm sorry but I messed up, I picked this up with the wrong bank, if I drop it now and put in for the makeup, will you process it immediately so I don't lose the trip?
Or Hey bud, thanks for texting me the trip was gonna drop, now that I have it, any chance you could do a drop make-up for me real quick?
Or, drop submitted, it's not processed quickly so I just go in and cancel the drop request cause it's too high threat knowing if the drop doesn't process quickly neither will the make up.
And you are right, he's competing with just normal makeup but he controls the drop(somewhat), has the page preloaded and the instant he gets a crew notification, submit the make up. The only way to beat it would be to have that much OTP also and have the luck to see it open.
09-01-2013, 04:18 PM
#15
trip trading freak
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: MD-11
Posts: 673
Not sure about others, but I definitely haven't had this. I got a wonderful VTO(PBS)(top 25%) and got nothing I asked for. So when open time came out, I shelled my entire month. If it's a trip and not over a holiday.....drop away. 99% of my denials have been "earlier timestamp" I'm not talking reserve though.
09-01-2013, 08:24 PM
#16
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Posts: 174
If some of our fellow aviators are "buying charter intel" to optimize their schedule by whatever means they should be repermanded and or disciplined for abuse. This is basically stealing trips from the crewforce to enhance their income, and better their schedules ! BS!!
09-02-2013, 03:22 AM
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Position: MD
Posts: 124
If some of our fellow aviators are "buying charter intel" to optimize their schedule by whatever means they should be repermanded and or disciplined for abuse. This is basically stealing trips from the crewforce to enhance their income, and better their schedules ! BS!!
09-02-2013, 03:54 AM
#18
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Posts: 1,412
While I'm sure some former ATA pilots might comment, the short version is that ATA prevailed and then the judgement was overturned on appeal.
The basis was that Northwest and Omni colluded with the team leader, FedEx, to drop ATA and have them pick up he flying. As you stated, FedEx's position was that they were dropped for proformance issues.
The basis was that Northwest and Omni colluded with the team leader, FedEx, to drop ATA and have them pick up he flying. As you stated, FedEx's position was that they were dropped for proformance issues.
Aren't FedEx, UPS and Atlas "team leaders" or something similar and delegate some portion of the flying to team members? I remember years ago when FedEx cut ATA from the team for pyss poor performance....they declared bankruptcy the next day, then they sued. Not sure what the basis was for the suit nor how it turned out.
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